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Date Posted: 11:47:52 03/19/07 Mon
Author: Kristy Keyer Hudson (Wow!)
Author Host/IP: pool-71-163-163-151.washdc.fios.verizon.net / 71.163.163.151
Subject: Thorn-Keyer family

Oh my goodness! I happened to be doing an internet search and stumbled across this page, with history about my family that I don't know much about. Both my grandparents and father have passed away. I would love to learn more about this and how you were able to find it. My grandparents were Marie Thorn and Robert A Keyer. My father was William Scott Keyer.
You can reach my at hokiesmile@yahoo.com
Thanks a million! Kristy : )

Date Posted: 10:34:56 01/08/07 Mon
Author: Claire Bridge
Author Host/IP: m74.net81-65-131.noos.fr / 81.65.131.74
Subject: yves Jeanneteau
yves jeanneteau 's photograph on your champion's page is in fact Edouard Beauvillain. It would be nice if you could put a photograph of Yves jeanneteau.I have one for you

Date Posted: 06:26:04 11/01/06 Wed
Author: Patrick de Sépibus
Author Host/IP: dyn-83-154-130-238.ppp.tiscali.fr / 83.154.130.238
Subject: Eugène Armand Lachaise

Message pour François Louveau dont le mail n'est malheureusement plus valable.
Faisant des recherches sur le protecteur et tuteur de ma grand-mère Eugène Armand La Chaise, j'ai trouvé plein de coincidence me permettant de le relier presque parfaitement au Eugène Lachaise, peintre, né en 1857 dont François Louveau possédait un tableau en 2003. Je serais très intéressé de pouvoir partager mes informations. je dois avoir quelques photos de lui dans le grenier et connais une partie de son histoire.

Baptisé à New York en MDCCCLVIII (1858) St Clement's Church N.Y.
il a été a bord de l'Algeria le 6 décembre 1879
Au Caire en janvier 1879
American Field Service medal comme volontaire dans les American Ambulance (1919)
Croix d'Officier de l'Ordre National de la légion d'Honneur 13 janvier 1918
A voyager en Chine et au Japon (je pense en 1889-1890) d'après les peintures que j'ai trouvé sur le net

Voilà en gros les informations que j'ai réussi à obtenir à ce jour, je continue à fouiller les papiers que j'ai découvert aujourd'hui.
Merci de bien vouloir faire suivre ce message à toute les personnes qui ont essayé d'obtenir des informations sur E.A. Lachaise/meilleures salutations/Patrick de Sépibus

Date Posted: 00:24:12 11/01/06 Wed
Author: rory cunningham (Fortune and Fate.)
Author Host/IP: cpe-071-071-215-099.carolina.res.rr.com / 71.71.215.99
Subject: Family History

I was Googling when researching the Bromo Seltzer Fortune. I was interested in seeing if any information that was written on a friend and neighbor in Bolton Hill, Baltimore Md. Fredding Spinning lived in his great aunt's home on John St around the corner from my families home. Freddie was a lonesome young man and it was rumored he was a surving heir to Bromo Seltzer fortune. Both of his parents were killed in an auto accident. This is 1970 and he had been raised by this elderly aunt since a young child. He attended boarding school and from every appearance seemed to have little to live on. He attained a scholarship to Conn. Col. which had just become coed. He boarded at Gilman School where there were few boarders. So few of the things I knew about him made any sense. I never inquired about his family. It seemeed too depresing a subject to mention to him.
As I went on to college I saw Freddie only at holidays. He had dropped out of college and was living in a halfway house next door to a building where I worked at a security guard after class. He often stopped by while I was working and we would go on top of the 5 story roof and look out at the Baltimore skyline. This still haunts me today when I remember Freddie joking about jumping off. He would often go to edge, where there was no guardrail on the flat rooftop and I would never venture closer than 5 foot from the edge.
Well that was the last time I saw him. Later that week he was atop the halfway house next door to this office building when he fell. Whether it was suicide I'll never know but the 3 stories were not enough to kill him. So rumors again circulated that he was very depressed and had made the jump.
In reading the tragic coarse of your family history and hearing of deaths by suicide. Makes me think of the others I knew growing up in Bolton Hill that later died in this way too. I have known 5 other neighbors who commited suicide following Freddie. All came from wealthy families and wealth it seemed was not something that helped them but instead may have lead them to such a depressed state of mind.
It makes me greatful to the stable family I had growing up. We always lived in nice homes. They were big houses because we had a big family. My father had grownup in a wealthy section of Boston near the Kennedy Family but much of the money was lost in Crash and Dad was raised by several aunts that made ends meet by renting out rooms. My grandfather was a widower when my father was 3 and had not entered the family business Cunningham Drugs. During the 1930's the family sold the drugstore chain and if there was ever any money it was long gone. Everything my father achieved was from his own hard work. And yet I grew up knowing we had a famous relative grandpa and dad were named in his honor, William E Dever, Mayor of Chicago. We heard his named mentioned on the TV show "The Untouchables" and we were proud he was said to be an honest Mayor in the most corrupt city.
Before dad died in Nov. 2004 I was always asking him about the family history. His answer was not to waste my time and that I need to worry more about my security. It really annoyed him so I only got tidbits. Never before had I heard that Uncle Willie cousin, {my 2nd cousin} was Paul Dever Gov. of Mass. Nor had I heard of other bits on Uncle Willie Dever. He had been a Judge for the "Black Soxs Trial" of Shoeless Joe Jackson before being Mayor or that he was Pres. of Bank of America before his death.
When my grandfather's sister died in 1980 I was trusted to be the cartaker while her estate was being settled. It was there that I first became interested in family history. I found so much on my aunts husband family, Sawyers, there was a former Gov of NH and his brother a painter and art collector. I have his old will and I guess at one time there were wealthy realitives from the list of famous art works, in his will.
During my 2 years living in her home I would visit her younger sister, Aunt Mim. Who was much younger than
than Grandpa or Aunt Mina. She like Dad were not giving up the stories. It seems despite the 20 minute drive from Rye Beach to Dover Mim had not spoken to her sister in 30 years.
So it makes me wonder if they were trying to spare me from the family secrets and any wealth we once had. Instead my father wanted me to make my way on my own and not the past glories of a deceased relatives. Perhaps knowing too well of the tragic events that wealth and notority came bring to the following generations.
I just felt compelled to write this rather long winded diatribe after reading the Vanderbilt History. A friend just visited "The Biltmore" and he has been doing some research on your family. So he'll be interested in this website. Since I stubbled into this site seaching for information on Freddy I just wonder if there was any truth to the rumors of the Bromo Seltzer? I had never heard the Vanderbilt connection but did know of the horse farm in Greenspring Valley having never made the connection to Alfred. Perhaps Freddie was a relative through the Emmersons. Thanks again for this moment to remember an old friend. Rory Cunningham

Aug 9, 2006

with Jews you never win - they are a group for themselves. It is not without reason that throughout history they have been chased around. If they were so well liked, they would have promptly been accepted into their host countries societies, but they always chose to be different and manipulate the world for their own benefits only./Swiss historian

ne manquez pas de nous renseigner sur les cousins fribourgeois du Paraguay selon photo. S./Fribourg
Cainguas (Provincia de Misiones) : Swiss Explorator Louis Victor de Boccard (b.1866 - d.1956) with Cainguas Indians. he settled in Argentina and Paraguay (1889). He was curator of La Plata museum
Louis Victor de Boccard, de Frg, y o 08.05.1866, + 30.04.1956, établi en Argentine puis au Paraguay (1889), explorateur, conservateur du musée de La Plata, exploitant agricole de l'estancia "La Mirelia";
x Buenos Arires ca 1892 Ines Bendels;
Ils eurent 2 enfants:
a- Alphonse, o 1893, + 1962;
x 1°) Asuncion (Paraguay) 1916 Emmy Blockhausen;
x 2°) ca 1941 Celi Ne...
Du second lit sont issus 2 enfants.
b- Mireille, o 1896, + Buenos Aires 1919, SA.
ou

Hubert Nicolas Raymond de Boccard, o 12.11.1844, + Colmar 13.11.1923, directeur de la Police (1878-84), lieutenant de préfet du district de la Sarine, conservateur du Musée d'Art et d'Histoire de Frg (1907), fit de nombreux voyages en Abyssinie, Argentine, PARAGUAY, etc...
x 24.01.1865 Joséphine Augusta Caroline Gay, o Lausanne 24.06.1845, + 06.08.1925, fille de Gustave gay, de Lutry, et de Marie Françoise Antoinette de Bodman;
Ils eurent 5 enfants :

Sun, September 18, 2005 15:19 IP: 153-14.240.81.adsl.skynet.be Bonjour, je suis prête à vous aider pour complèter ce site car j'ai pas mal d'archives familiales à la maison, et des photos. Je ne sais pas si c'est par ici que je dois vous faire parvenir mon intension. Vous pouvez me contacter quand vous voulez. La photo est celle de mon grand père ALEXANDRE isidor marie WUILLERET fils de ursule et petit fils de alexandre dont la photo se trouve déjà sur votre site.
bien à vous/Marie

M. Garner De Breteuil, a widow, Edith De Moltke Huitfeldt and husband, Leon De Moltke Huitfeldt, Cecily Gordon Cumming Vian and husband, Christopher Vian, Alexander Penrose Gordon Cumming, Michael Willoughby Gordon Cumming, Elma Napier and husband, Lennox Napier and Mary Violet Katherine Newall and husband, John S. Newall.

Yes I know the de Breteuil, Moltke Huitfeldt, and Gordon Cumming. They are related, as I am, to the Thorne family

http://thorn.pair.com/williamthorne1/index.htm

Gordon-Cumming

http://thorn.pair.com/williamthorne1/d9852.htm#P10281

Date Posted: 10:13:13 07/27/06 Thu
Author: Jason Bass
Author Host/IP: lfkn-adsl-dhcp-72-26-16-25.consolidated.net / 72.26.16.25
Looking for family history of Moltke-Huitfeldt

I work for Chesapeake Oil and Exploration in Lufkin, Texas, USA. I have found where members of the Moltke-Huitfeldt family purchased a certain tract of land on July, 26, 1941. This land was purchased by several individuals, all of whom I think are related. Those individuals are as listed: M. Garner De Breteuil, a widow, Edith De Moltke Huitfeldt and husband, Leon De Moltke Huitfeldt, Cecily Gordon Cumming Vian and husband, Christopher Vian, Alexander Penrose Gordon Cumming, Michael Willoughby Gordon Cumming, Elma Napier and husband, Lennox Napier and Mary Violet Katherine Newall and husband, John S. Newall.
I have been unable to locate any current relatives of any of these people. If you can help, please let me know. These individuals could possibly still own interest in this tract of land and may be entitled to a sum of money. I would need proof that the decendants are actually related and how they are related.
Thank You for your time.
Jason Bass
Chesapeake Exploration
302 South Second
Lufkin, Texas
75904
1-903-404-6006

Date Posted: 03:22:16 02/16/06 Thu
Author: boin jean marie
Author Host/IP: lns-bzn-9-82-254-81-201.adsl.proxad.net / 82.254.81.201
Subject: bannière du grand bâtard et texte sur antoine

bonjour,
je viens de visiter la page sur le grand bâtard et, je m'apperçois que le texte sur le grand bâtard ainsi que la photo de sa bannière proviennent du site internet www.tournehem-sur-la-hem.com. Ce site a été construit et mis sur le net par moi même. En effet j'en suis le webmaster.
Ce site est protégé entièrement par la loi. Protégé par copyright: texte et photos.
A ma première vue, vous ne n'avez pas demandé l'autorisation pour la publication de ce texte ( texte de Bruno Leroy dont j'ai le droit de reproduction et, de la photo de la bannière du grand bâtard(photo prise par mes soins car cette bannière est ma propriété)suite à l'achat de celle-ci.
Je me vois donc dans l'obligation de vous réclamer un droit légitime pour la publication en ligne sur votre site internet du texte et de la photo de la bannière d'Antoine Grand Bâtard de Bourgogne.
Montant des droits: 70 euros.
Si vous acceptez cette offre, je vous laisserai donc le droit de publication sur ce site.
En outre,je possède toute une collection de photos sur Antoine Grand Bâtard de Bourgogne: les vestiges de son Château à Tournehem, ses armoiries en parfait état gravées sur 2 linteaux,etc...
si cela vous intéresse, je peux vous céder les droits de reproductions pour enrichir votre site internet.
Si ces offres ne vous conviennent pas, je vous demandrai donc de retirer dans les plus brefs délai le texte de Bruno Leroy ainsi que la photo de la bannière d'antoine.
J'espère avoir très rapidement un contact avec le webmaster du site dans le but de discuter.
Merci
voici mes coordonnées.
BOIN Jean Marie
307, rue bellevue 62890 Tournehem sur la Hem.
mail: jeanmarie.boin@free.fr

Melly family and descendants/2
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:13:10 -0000
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your reply. If you could put a message from me in your Guestbook. I would like the message in the Guestbook to say:
'Dear S., I am interested in contacting a Mr. Bryn Cook of Canada who left some messages on your message board in Jaunary 2003. He was asking for information about his and your Melly ancestors. Mr. Cook's great-grandfather Hugh Mesnard Melly married Cicely Holt, who was the grand-daughter of my great-great-grandfather George Holt of Liverpool. (The Holts and Mellys were well-known to each other, and of the same religious persuasion.) I would like to ask Mr. Bryn Cook about the Canadian descendants of the marriage of Hugh Melly and Cicely Holt, in particular how many there have been in succeeding generations since Cicely's daughter Margaret Mesnard Melly emigrated to Canada. If Mr. Cook can supply that information, I would be most grateful to him. Yours sincerely, Bill Champion (Lewisham, London).'
With all my thanks, Bill Champion/http://www.voy.com/114797/

Author: Maillard Claude Posted: 02:49:30 09/15/05 Thu
Subject: Efficacité de la Spiruline

Bonjour !
j'ai découvert la Spiruline qui m'a été conseillée lors d'une visite au Burkina Faso.
J'ai suivi un traitement pendant un mois, suite à un début d'hépatite. Le résultat est bon. Merci !

Claude Maillard
Fribourg

Date Posted: 06:16:12 03/23/05 Wed
Author: Patrick Neill
Author Host/IP: host81-144-71-125.midband.mdip.bt.net / 81.144.71.125
Subject: Charles Melly Drinking Fountains in Liverpool

I am researching the Charles P. Melly Drinking Fountains that were erected in Liverpool in the 1850/60's, see:

http://uk.geocities.com/liverpool_monuments/greathowarddrinkingtap.htm

http://uk.geocities.com/liverpool_monuments/byromstreetdrinkingtap.htm

http://uk.geocities.com/liverpool_monuments/byromstreetdrinkingtap2.htm

http://uk.geocities.com/liverpool_monuments/stmichaeldrinkingtap.htm

http://liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/wellington18.html

Here is the start of an article I have produced on the Charles P. Melly Fountains:

http://scottiepress.org/projects/folm/folm_mag1_pg4.htm

At the Liverpool Record Office there is part of a paper that Charles P. Melly produced in 1858. It describes the idea behind the drinking fountain and give the location of 43 of them. I have copy of it if anyone is interested.

Author: meyer nadeje
Author Host/IP: 149.33.39-62.rev.gaoland.net / 62.39.33.149
Subject: about meyer

my grand father michel meyer is born in 1735 or 1734 in fribourg, can you help me because i dont know where i must adresse to have some informations - mayby we are cousin-

 Jean-Pierre ISOZ <jpisoz@yahoo.fr>
Date: 2005-01-05

je descends de la branche bellerine des ISOZ, citée à Bex dès 1636. Peut-être pouvez-vous m'aider à retrouver mes ancêtres.
Merci

Name: Anne Carter <cartam@hinet.net.au>
Date: 2004-04-02

You refer to the name Christin. Among my ancestors are the names Francis Henry Christin naturalized in England in l799 and son of Rudolphus Christin and Henrietta de Mierre of Yverdon, Vaud, Switzerland. I am trying to trace them further back but am not sure how to do this. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you. A Carter

Date Posted: 00:59:15 02/10/05 Thu
Author: Dyboff
Author Host/IP: gate6.mc2.net / 194.133.14.55
Subject: comte de Balmaine

Bonjour,

Il est interessant de savoir que la famille de Balmain est toujours active. 

Il n'y a  pas longue temps je m¡etais interesse a Alexandre de Balmaine le commissaire russe sur St Helene aupres de Napoleon

http://forum.lirik.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73
http://www.livejournal.com/users/severr/2915.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/ru_1812/6143.html

Il n'est pas facile de trouver les traces de son rapport.
Il existe en anglais http://www.napoleonic-literature.com/Book_14/Book14.htm

salutations les meilleures


Date Posted: 05:59:29 01/19/05 Wed
Author: Alain Vauzanges
Author Host/IP: ALamentin-101-2-4-22.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr / 193.253.201.22
Subject: college Gallia

I attended College Gallia from 1963 to 1965 and I actualy
live in Martinique. My roomate at that time was S./Fribourg Switzerland. I would suggest that a site for ancient gallia students be created. Regards
 

enchante Laurent, nous avons eu de la peine puisque Claude Bourgeois nous a quitte. Il me manque toujours une photo recente de Claude, genre portrait, merci d'avance. Si vous disposez de materiel genealogique, genre photos de familles, documents, ils sont bienvenus. 29/12/2004/S./Fribourg

Author: Laurent Roth
Author Host/IP: 122.2.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch / 83.78.2.122/decembre 29 2004
Subject: Pour Marianne Bourgeios, 12 ans

Chère Marianne
Si tu es la fille de Thierry qui lui est fils de Alain Bourgeois, nous sommes des parents éloignés. Car ton grand-père Alain (dit Valli) etait le frère de mon père, Claude Bourgeois. Moi, j'habite en suisse, à Bâle.

16/12/2004/Bonjour,

Merci beaucoup pour votre envoi. Cet article sur les réfugiés français 1830 m'intéresse énormément. En effet je ne connaisssais pas cet article et j'ai commencé une petite liste sur ce sujet depuis l'année dernière à l'aide des permis de séjour. Je vais donc comparer ces deux listes. Je mettrai ensuite cette liste en ligne sur le Site Généalogique de Fribourg.
J'ai retrouvé et identifié le Michel Diesbach décédé en 1900. Pour
info, il s'agit d'un Diesbach de la branche de Mézières, bourgeoise de Wünnewil. Michel Justin Diesbach, o Fribourg 14.04.1837, + Fribourg 20.05.1900, bucheron. Ses descendants vivent aujourd'hui à Genève et en France dans la Drome.
Meilleures salutations.
B. de Diesbach Belleroche

Wed, 15 Dec 2004/Hi Rene,

Thanks for the word.
Regarding myself, I mentionned that I could come to Australia but never said
that I should be lodged.
There is nothing wrong investigating the family, if you think that you do not
need any king of family information maybe others generations do not share
this point of view.
Pity that Pierre is silly, so was his father.
I am still looking for Heinrich de Hesselle's siblings; HEINRICH HUBERT DE HESSELLE, born 13 AUG 1866 Pier, Rheinland, Preussen, 
Father: FRANZ JACOB DE HESSELLE 
Mother: MARGARETHA EVERSCHOOR. 
S/Fribourg

Author: rene de hesselle
Author Host/IP: 165.13.233.220.exetel.com.au / 220.233.13.165
Subject: de hesselle family

My french is "tres pauvre" but I can read your web page.
I found it interesting that you have this message regarding Pierre de Hesselle. I was contacted by him and asked to provide our family tree, which I did, then he disappeared.Then I was contacted by a cousin of his who wanted to come and lodge with us! Very strange. My entire life I have never met another de Hesselle except my direct family, and now I think it is perhaps better that way.

creation de l'asscociation Planete+

Hello,

 

I saw your web site with the Vanderbilt history.  I am doing research on the family of one of Cornelius Vanderbilt's childhood friends, William McLean Cripps (1779-1876).

Can you refer me to anyone familiar with Staten Island records from the late 1700s?  I'm trying to find documentation to support my theory that William McLean Cripps had an uncle named Cornelius McLean, b. 1774, Staten Island, d. 1836, Washington, D. C.  It's possible that the records I'm seeking were destroyed during the American Revolutionary War.
Thank you for your time.
Jamie Perez

San Antonio, TX, USA
 

Date Posted: 05:53:11 11/11/04 Thu
Author: Didier Pittet
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 193.5.61.245
Subject: Participation de Louis XI à démarrage des guerres

Monsieur,
Vous reprenez mot à mot l'interprétation de Auguste Verdeil 1795-1856 (période française de la Suisse) quand à l'implication de Louis XI aux démarrages du conflit des guerres de Bourgogne.
Cette vision n'est pas correct du point de vue général des belligérants en présence. Les bernois recherchaient depuis plusieurs années une extension de leur territoire en direction de l'ouest, ceci au détriment de Fribourg qui était encore une possession de l'Empire. Les bernois avaient des vues sur le pays de Vaud et la Franche-comté (riche en blé).
N'oubliont pas que Louis n'a fait que perdre ton terrain dans l'Artois et la Picardie (contre Charles et les anglais).
Il est probable que le "parti du roi de France" dans les instances dirigeantes suisses ont contribué à l'alliance, mais il est présompteux de dire que Louis XI fût l'instigateur de la coalition des guerres de Bourgogne.
Il est certain que les cantons suisses et plus spécialement Berne y voyaient un très grand intérêt d'expansion territoriale. Par un apport financier conséquent Louis a intéressé les Suisses à cette entreprise (Les premiers mercenaires suisses allaient apparaitre pour la bataille de Nancy 1477) et plus simplement, il y avait péril en la demeure !
Merci de votre lecture

02/24/04 Tue Author: marianne bourgeois
Author Host/IP: modemcable199.162-130-66.mc.videotron.ca / 66.130.162.199 Subject: ajout de nom pour larbre généalogique
Bonjour,
Je me nomme Marianne Bourgeois ! Je suis fille de Thierry Bourgeois qui lui est fils de Alain Bourgeois. Nous habitons au canada.
Je vous écrit pour vous dire que votre site est super intéressant (Moi et ma famille avons passé la soirée à le regarder! Car le sujet de nos ancêtres nous passionnes énormément). Mais aussi pour vous demander de rajouter les noms de mon frère Guillaume bourgeois (15 ans né le 7 décembre 1988 ), ma soeur Laurence Bourgeois ( 7 ans né le 31 octobre 1996 )et moi Marianne Bourgeois (12 ans né le 16 mai 1991 !) à l'arbre généalogique des Bourgeois! SVP!!!!! Nous en serions très honoré!!

Merci d'avance!!!
P.S. : Si jamais vous prépareriez une petite fête en l'honneur des bourgeois ,dans votre magnifique pays, faites nous le savoir nous serions très intéresser!!! :D

Marianne Bourgeois, 12 ans (une passionnée du château Giez)

Maria Sollohub Date: 2004-03-30 Comments: I have to sign this guestbook - just look at my name!

S./Fribourg Date: 2003-12-21 Comments: Danke, aber Ich weiss nicht genug von die Stang/Sinzig, ob Sie etwas von die Stang Koenigwinter etwas zu tun haben. Wenn Sie ein Beweis finden wurde Ich gerne von Ihnen horen. S./Fribourg

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Name: Hans Peter Stang Date: 2003-12-20 Comments: hallo mein Name ist auch Stang, ich habe eine Ahnentafel die bis 1628 zu Everhard Stang zurueck geht ( kam aus Schweden) dann siedelte sich die Familie in Koenigswinter an. Bei Interesse bitte Kontaktaufnahme

S./Fribourg Date: 2004-03-17 Comments: bonjour Denis, Merci pour votre message. Oui nous avons un patrimoine qui merite une mise en valeur, disons que j'apporte une version personelle de nos genealogies aussi utile pour ma propre genealogie car nos familles se sont entrecroises chaque siecle. Pour le moment je suis en train de revoir le site, apres je serais interesse par les documents visuels, portraits, photos, residences, medailles et ainsi de suite et surtout par tout ceux qui ont rapport aux Muller de Fribourg. Mon intervention pour les familles cousines se resume en un temps presse, tout ceci a ete fait rapidement, je ne suis pas un pro, par contre le travail pro de Benoit de Diesbach a du prendre ses heures. Nous sommes fiers de nos racines, nous avons eu notre mot a dire a Fribourg. salutations/S./Fribourg

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Name: Denis de Techtermann Date: 2004-03-12 Comments: Un grand merci pour toutes ces informations sur le passé de notre famille. Mon père - Léon de Techtermann m'a laissé de nombreux renseignement que j'ai reporté sur le logiciel (arbre généalogique) et transmis à mon cousin Nicolas von der Weid avec qui a largement complété mon document de base. Je suis prêt à vous donner tous les renseignements sur notre famille soit les descendants de Léon de Techtermann. Avec mes salutations les meilleures. D. de Techtermann

WERLY Date: 2004-01-05 Comments: I'm WERLY jean marc the sons of WERLY Jacques !! we are living in Thaon Les Vosges In the north east Of France ....

Mangili Date: 2003-08-21 Comments: Certains de mes ancêtres se nommait Francillon famille du daupiné région de Grenoble (France) Amicalement

Vadim Date: 2004-04-19 I hope you related to the Golembiowski Golebiowski Vadim Comments: My last name is Golebiowski. Pass-(ukrainian tr-tion)Golembovski. I'm from the Uman'( Cherkaska region. Ukraine) The last name is unusual for this region. There are 2 last names like Golembowski in my town(my and Golembiowski, military judge of Uman's garnisone). With best wishes. Vadim

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Name: S./Fribourg Date: 2003-11-16 Comments: I linked your Golembiowski site to mine, its looks interesting, as soon you can translate it in english it will be more interesting. I wonder if you can help me finding Georges Golembiowski, Swiss citizen from Giez, of polish extraction I presume, son of Nina Golembiowska. By the year 1935 he was in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I presume he was related to the de Richter family, from Jitomir, Ukraine, which family I am also looking for. S./Fribourg

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Name: Grzegorz Date: 2003-11-12 Comments: I am also interesting in Golebiowski family which has their roots in present Ukraine (former Polish teritory). It is a good chance to exchange our information. I present on the page http://golob.acn.waw.pl in the section "genealogia" some information about Golebiowski family but unfortunatly only in Polish.

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Name: S. Date: 2003-01-19 Comments: mon grand père se nomme georges Golembiowski il est décédé en 1954 à Nice à votre disposition pour de plus amples renseignements patrick Golembiowski 69 Rhone France Bonjour Patrick Oui je suis interesse par vos informations, par votre grand pere et les Golembiowski. Nous avons a gagner a enchanger nos archives. A bientot S.

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Name: golembiowski Date: 2002-10-18 Comments: mon grand père se nomme georges Golembiowski il est décédé en 1954 à Nice à votre disposition pour de plus amples renseignements patrick Golembiowski 69 Rhone France

S./Fribourg Date: 2003-02-05 Comments: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:23:04 -0500 Objet: RE: Melly I am still trying to identify the parents (and other ancestors of Andre (Andrew) Melly. He was born in Geneva Switzerland in 1802. He died in the Korosko desert, Nubia January 19, 1851. He married Ellen Marie Greg (of Manchester England) July 28, 1828. They had three children: Charles Pierre b May 25, 1829 in Liverpool; George Melly b 1831; and Louise Catherine b 1832. As a young man, Andre established himself as a cotton broker in Liverpool. He previously came from Switzerland. He did a lot of Business in Egypt. Do you have more information on Andre's ancestors?? Bryn Cook Yes I do have some informations about the Melly. To speak the truth I am overloaded with Melly archives which family is only a step family for me. Do you need Andre Melly portrait ? I have it. Do you need Andre Melly own book on the desert of Kosovo ? I have it. Do you need to see Andre Melly beatles collection ? I do not have it but I know where to see it. Do you need to known Andre Melly father, grand father and so on ? I have it. Do you need to have a look at the whole Melly genealogy ? I have it, except 20th century. Do you need to have a look at Andre Melly private letter ? I have it. Do you know the famous british jazz singer George Melly ? He is a nephew of Andre Melly. And son on, and so on... S./Fribourg

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Name: B Cook Date: 2003-01-23 Comments: It would be wonderful if we have a Melly connection. I believe our family is descended from George Melly (of Liverpool) who married Sarah Mesnard, Their son Hugh Mesnard Melly married Cicely Ann Holt. (She died at a fairly young age in a carriage accident and then Hugh Mesnard Melly married Eleanor Owen) One of Cicely Ann's daughters, Margaret Mesnard Melly b 1887 m 1912, d 1966, married our grandfather Duncan Irving Kerfoot of Calgary , Alberta Canada. Do any of these names fit with your information? I have kilogrammes of Melly archives, I cannot check all your surnames for the moment, but I have full and exact Melly lineation from the 16th century to the end of the 19th century. Because they are a patrician family from Geneva. Of course if we find some parenthood I am interested. For the moment; "The family motto is "A Good Name is Better than a Golden Girdle" André Melly was solemn and amiable. As a youth he was influenced by the scepticism of Voltaire and thereafter, while travelling on the Continent, was watched by secret police. He later regained his faith. In the 1820'S, he emigrated to England and he did business mainly in Manchester and Liverpool. He married the daughter of his business partner, Miss Grey, and became an English citizen. He had migraines, played the flute and was a keen entomologist; a collection of beetles he assembled and mounted is still in the museum of Geneva. His business, was originally just cotton (later he added railways). His principal activity was in Egypt. In 1850 he went there with his wife, two sons and daugther to attempt to discover the source of the Nile. He died there in january 1851, after contracting a fever, and was buried in the village of Gagee. His daughter, Louise, never married. Charles Pierre, his elder son, was a philanthropist and a melancholic who ended up committing suicide. He had eight children. The younger son of André, named George, married in 1850. He was a liberal MP for a Stoke-on-Trent- he was a lively writer and wrote memoirs, privately printed. He had seven children, the youngest, Samuel Heywood Melly, being the grand-father of George Melly. The families of Charles and George were a little rivalrous. Do you see something that can fit ? Many of the Melly surnames from England are to be found in the Mormons; www.familysearch.org or the UK census. S./Fribourg

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Name: Stephanie Moss Date: 2003-01-23 Comments: August 03, 2001 Hi S., See FamilySearch: IGI http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp Name: Charles-Pierre MELLY Sex: M Date of Birth: 25 May 1829, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: Andre MELLY Mother: Ellen Marin GREGG Name: George MELLY Sex: M Date of Christening: 14 Nov 1831, Saint James, Didsbury, Lancashire, England Father: Andrew MELLY Mother: Ellen Maria Name: Louisa Catherine MELLY Sex: F Date of Christening: 25 Dec 1832, Mosley Street Presbyterian or Unitarian, Manchester, Lancashire, England Father: Andrew MELLY Mother: Ellen See also FamilySearch: IGI http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp Name: Edward Ferdinand MELLY Sex: M Date of Birth: 7 July 1857, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: Charles Pierre MELLY Mother: Louise FORGET Name: Ernest Louis MELLY Sex: M Date of Birth: 27 June 1859, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: Charles Pierre MELLY Mother: Louise FORGET Name: Fanny Bertha MELLY Sex: F Date of Birth: 12 October 1860, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: Charles Pierre MELLY Mother: Louise FORGET Name: Andrew Leonard MELLY Sex: M Date of Birth: 22 Nov 1862, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: Charles Pierre MELLY Mother: Louise FORGET

Cheers, Stephanie. hi Stephanie, Thanks for your latest news. I am impressed by yours notes on the Net. I had a look at it, It does not seem that I can help you. For the audience on the Net I would like to say that George MELLY, born 1926, to be found in the Net, the famous jazz singer, art expert, writter, the best is his Scouse Mouse book, is a member of this Swiss family, from Geneva. Others Melly family, in Switzerland there are 3 or 4 more, do not have any connection with the one from Geneva, they pretend to belong to it because this is the one with the greatet achievements (for instance, the beetle collection of Andre Melly, died in 1851, is still to-day in the Geneva Museum, I have been told by the manager, as one of the best in the world, because Andre was so wealthy that he could afford the most expensives beetles, and vistors from abroad still come to-day to have a look at those insects). I have the full and exact lineation of the Melly family from 1500 to 1900. Of course nothing is foolproof, Georges Melly is not on my Melly's tree, but he belong to it. (The Scouse Mouse book says a lot about the Melly family, Andre Melly above mentionned is a grand-grand father of George.) The Forget family from Geneva, Switzerland, was very similar to the Melly, and they had a few marriages between both families, so the Forget lineation interest me the same, I have full and exact lineation of the Forget family from 1600 to 1900, missing is the 20th century, and Charles Forget from Liverpool son, Alfred Forget who was living in Uruguay, Entre-Rios, by the end of the 19th century with 5 children, 3 boys, I am looking for theirs location. As soon as I have an up-dated tree fo both family I can have it recorded on the Net. The latest news on the 20th century tree of this two families are welcomed, best are personnals and graves photographs. Thank you for your lecture. S./Fribourg

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Name: v. Loebenstein Date: 2003-01-23 Comments: February 01, 2001 I have also Melly in my family-tree, and those are swiss, from Geneva. Unfortunately, in this moment I don't have access to my archive (for the time beeing, I am not living in my home country:Chile), but I know about a very interessting Genealogical Book (several volumes) printed in Geneva at the beginning of the XX century, which is called the "Galiffe",and which includes most of the old "patrician" families of that "City and Republic". My Mellys appear in that collection, and I remember, there was a line which emigrated to Liverpool. My line emigrated to de USA (Antoine André MellY, b.Geneva 1803, d.Dresden 1888),and changed the name to Meli and/or de Meli. Hope this was usefull for you Christian v.Loebenstein

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Name: TONY MORGAN Date: 2002-08-27 Comments: I have been doing some research into the type of stone used on buildings in Liverpool, England. Charles Pierre Melly (1829-1888)was the first person in England to provide drinking fountains on city streets, first in 1854 in Liverpool.

S./Fribourg Date: 2003-09-29 Comments: Thank you Mary Indeed this is an interesting family. The de Balmaine were involved with Napoleon and they married into the Skouratoff which had a mariage with the Tsar. You are welcomed S./Fribourg

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Vanessa Date: 2004-04-08 Comments: Interesting site! I am part of the Rathbone family, so this is very educating to read. Good job.

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Name: S./Fribourg Date: 2004-02-20 Comments: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 I have just come upon the message of Joyce Porter re the marriage of Mary Rathbone to William Heelis. In a tree on which I am working there is a marriage of Amelia Turner (b.1810) to William Rathbone Heelis. Amelia was the daughter of Thomas Turner (1786-1838) and his wife Amelia (b.1788) nee Wilkinson (the sister of my ancestor, Edward Wilkinson). I would very much like to know more about this couple and whether they had any issue. Best wishes, Neil Robertson

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Name: Marie J. Kendrick Date: 2003-12-03 Comments: I'm related through the Cooley Family. Will be coming to Liverpool, etc. next year with the Rathbone Family tour. Looking forward to meeting some of the famly oer there.

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Name: S./Fribourg Date: 2003-11-19 Comments: Greenbank was the Rathbone family house and estate in Liverpool. The original house was built in the early eighteenth century on part of the Toxteth Park estate. In 1788 the house and an estate of 24 acres was leased by the Earl of Sefton to William Rathbone IV, as a country retreat for his young family. The house became central to Rathbone family life and afforded hospitality to numerous eminent public figures associated with the family. Greenbank was occupied by Hugh Reynolds and Emily Evelyn Rathbone in 1918 on the death of Emily Acheson Rathbone, widow of William Rathbone VI. Hugh Reynolds Rathbone had strong connections with the University of Liverpool, and towards the ends of their lives Hugh and Emily donated parts of the Greenbank estate to the University as a site for student accomodation. Derby Hall was built on part of the land (opened in 1939). During 1939-1948 remaining parts of the estate were donated by Hugh and Emily's children. The house itself had been requisitioned by the Admiralty in 1940, but in 1944 it was also given to the University, originally for the purpose of housing students, but in the early 60s converted for use as a student and staff club house.

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Name: Vernon Edward Rathbone Date: 2003-10-24 Comments: Is the Greenbank Rathbone family house of Liverpool still in the Rathbone family? Vernon Rathbone

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Name: S./Fribourg Date: 2003-04-12 Comments: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:54:48 EDT Objet: Rathbone Hello, I have just been studying the list of surnames on the list of the LFHS. Whilst tracing the Heelis family I have found Mary Rathbone married William Heelis in Bolton on the 27.7.1785, I know that this family later lived in Liverpool. Could this possibly link up with the Rathbones that you are researching?. Joyce Porter It is not so easy. The Rathbone comes only from England, later they had trading companies dealing with cotton in USA. I am interested in Rathone because a great aunt of mine Louisa Forget-Bourgeois from Switzerland dead 1914 living in Liverpool had a daughter who married a Rathbone. The living descendants of that marriage concerns me. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/forget/ The Rathbone have full genealogy http://www.stanford.edu/~dorcas/Rathbone.html you can check everything. God Luck/S./Fribourg

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Name: Scott Rathbone Date: 2002-09-27 Comments: Great web site - keep the good work going. I am keen to collect some early Rathbone history (English) and tie it into my family. I'll be using this site again. Cheers, Scott Rathbone

Name: Mary Ramsay Robertson Date: 2003-09-12 Comments: Very interesting site.

S.Fribourg
Country: Switzerland	Date: Mon Dec 30 04:28:37 2002
Comment: Je cherche des complements sur la biographie de Victor H. Bourgeois 1864-1935 Merci

Name: Nicolas de BALMAIN
Country: FRANCE - Aube	Date: Sun Aug 17 19:59:52 2003
Comment: My husband and I would like to have contact with family members. My husband Nicolas is born in 1917 in Sebastopol and came with his parents and brother Igor in France in the years 1922/23. His father is Victor de BALMAIN (Ste Geneviève des Bois). Commandant Nicolas de BALMAIN, 14 rue Voltaire, F - 10800 SAINT JULIEN LES VILLAS

Name: Peter Maas <extinct@petermaas.nl> 

Date: 2004-02-28 
Comments: 
Good to bring this under the attention of people. Personally I know the risk of extinction! I've got a website with recently extinct animals. According the IUCN their have 717 animals died out since 1500, but there are many more, and even more are critically endangered! 
www.petermaas.nl/extinct


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Name: Johndennis Govert <jdgovert@yahoo.com> 
Date: 2003-11-29 
Comments: 
Nice links; but I am looking for more info on comparative DNA among primates. Thanks for the calming Vivaldi 

Name: Daniel A. Guggisberg
Date: 2003-05-04 Comments:
I am very impressed to see yet another piece of Swiss history on the worldwide net. The Swiss confederates at that time made world history my containing and subsequently defeating an aggressive European monarch with territorial ambitions! How would the map of Europe look today, had the Swiss confederates not destroyed this formidable foe, Charles the Bold? France for sure would not exist today in it's large size, but likely an intermediate central European power would have wedged itself between France and the Holy Roman Empire.
Thank you for sharing it with the world - I hope that someday we will see the text not only in French but also in German and English. The counts of Grandsons still exist today as an English feudal family (Grandson, Grandison)whereas the original family has long since died out.

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cher Monsieur,
Merci pour votre courrier, je suis flatte, je ne suis pas un historien mais un amateur qui espere savoir et montrer l'interet de notre patrimoine.
Comme vous pour ce cote historique j'ai grandi a cote du camp de Charles le Temeraire au lieu dit le Duc de Bourgogne a Giez sans en connaitre son envergure.
Avec l'age on devient intelligent, au moins cela. La photo que vous mentionnez, comme vous je la trouve pleine d'action, vient du panorama de la bataille de Morat qui est sur la page d'accueil soit au;
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fribourg/Bourgeois/histoire/003.Charles.le.Temeraire.html
Votre site est brillant, je l'ai hyperlinke au mien, vous etes invite a en faire autant.
Je suis quand meme etonne du succes de mon site mentionne, il semble que Charles en question aie vraiment marque notre histoire, en tous les cas ici les batailles ne sont pas oublies.
Avec mes salutations les meilleures.
S/Fribourg

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Name: BOIN Jean Marie
Date: 2003-10-29 Comments:
bonsoir,
je viens de découvrir votre site.J'ai trouvé des renseignements trés intéréssant; j'habite tournehem sur la hem village du pas de calais situé à 16 kms de calais.Notre village eu comme seigneur Antoine Grand Bâtard de Bourgogne. Il est inhumé à Tournehem. vous pourrez découvrir sur le site que j'ai fais:
www.tournehem-sur-la-hem.com ( il est tres souvent mis à jour)les photos des vestiges de son château, malheureusement détruit en 1595 par le maréchal d'humières, son histoire, etc....En 2004, nous allons commémorer les 500 ans de sa disparition. 1 année de festivités.conférence, exposition, fête médiévale,etc... Pouvez vous m'indiquer les renseignements au sujet de la photo sur la bataille de Morat en page d'accueil de votre site.Elle serait très intéressante pour l'exposition que nous allons réaliser sur le Grand Bâtard. Où pourrions nous commander une reproduction. Je vous en serais très reconnaissant.
Je vais insérer un lien si vous le voulez entre mon site et le votre dans l'attente d'une réponse veuillez recevoir mes meilleuts salutations
M. Boin Jean Marie
correspondant pour le Nord de la France de la Fondation Toison d'Or

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Name: Ugo Pozzati Milan - Italy
Date: 2003-10-22 Comments:
Hello S./Fribourg,
thanks for the kind answer and many thanks for the link to my Web-Site. As far as the "panorama de morat" I have ordered the relative book that would have to arrive in the next few days.
If I find other names or heraldries I will inform you.
Best Regards
Ugo Pozzati

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Name: S./Fribourg
Date: 2003-10-20 Comments:
bonjour,
Ainsi votre parent etait un temoin en direct de la bataille de Morat. Jaques van der Maas ecuyer et porte-drapeau de Charles le Temeraire Vous devez avoir des complements, survit-il a la bataille de Morat par example ?
De mon cote je ne peux faire mieux que de vous recommander l'extraordinaire histoire "online" du canton de Vaud par Auguste Verdeil dont la partie sur Grandson et Morat est au;
http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud/verdeil/bk3ch9s3.htm
Pour la partie visuelle voir l'exceptionel panorama de la bataille de Morat;
http://www.npmedia.com/panorama/franc/francais.htm
S./Fribourg

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Name: Bernard Denorme
Date: 2003-10-20 Comments:
Bonjour,

je viens de visiter votre site que j'ai beaucoup apprecie. Pouvez-vous me donner plus amples informations concernant la bataille de Morat et plus precisement sur mon ancetre Jacques van der Maas
Merci

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Name: S./Fribourg
Date: 2003-10-19 Comments:
Hello Ugo,
I have visited you web site;
http://www.ugopozzati.it/Home%20Page%20Sito%20Ugo.htm
interesting.
I shall link your site to mine.
Well the heraldry of the ones involved in the wars of Burgundry is to be searched, first the effectives or the names of the soldiers. With the names it is easy to get the heraldry. Regarding the soldiers of Fribourg try the page;
http://www.diesbach.com/sghcf/names.html
Of course you have seen the splendid Panorama of the battle of Morat web site which have heraldry;
http://www.npmedia.com/panorama/franc/francais.htm
If you find names of the soldiers, including Hericourt which I must add to my site, you are welcomed to inform me.
S./Fribourg

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Name: Ugo Pozzati Milan - Italy
Date: 2003-10-17 Comments:
Goodmorning,
I have visit your very interesting web site.
I am a modeller of historical figure and I have particular interesting for the medieval history and the war of burgundy.
A little question : Have you the possibility to indicate me where to find the heraldry of the effectives (the more important) present to the battles of Grandson, Morat and Nancy ?
Many thanks and Best Regards
Ugo Pozzati

web site http://www.ugopozzati.it

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2003-08-12
BOIN JEAN MARIE
Date: 2003-11-01 Comments:
bravo pour votre site j'habite tournehem sur la hem notre village eu comme seigneur Antoine Grand Bâtard de Bourgogne Il est inhumé à Tournehem
j'ai concu et réalisé le site www.tournehem-sur-la-hem.com Toute l'histoire d'Antoine de Bourgogne etc... je vais insérer un lien de mon site au votre à très bientôt M. boin jean marie

Date: 2003-07-17 
Comments: 
Again, am very impressed to see objects and subjects concerning the glorious history of the old Switzerland on the worldwide web. We are increasingly heading into a time and era where people tend to forget our history and the experiences/achievements made by our forebears. If it were not for their deeds and great sacrifice many of us would not lead today the comfortable and easy life we have. Also there is truth in the proverb that "history repeats itself" - our world leaders and politicians ought to learn from history and not repeat the same mistakes made in the past. I am specifically refering to the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. 3000 years ago the Greeks did not succeed to subdue the Afghan, nor did the British succeed 100 years ago and let's not even mention the Soviets 25 years ago....and guess what, the Americans now just have to realize the same. By day, they control Afghanistan, by night they don't...need I say more? The much heralded free Afghanistan does not exist if there were not American troops - will they plan to stay there forever? S. - keep up the good work! 
Daniel A. Guggisberg 

Subject:  Mimi Forget

Mimi Forget
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002

Dear S., My great-grandmother was Mimi Forget who married a Topham
in
England. Could you give me an idea of her relationship with the
Bourgeois as
I know she was related to the Bourgeois who endowed Dulwich Museum?
Thank you
very much. Yours sincerely, Francis des Rosiers (nee Francis Topham
Smith)

Subject:  Alfred Edward Forget

17/10/2002 FORGET
Good News
Alfred Edward Forget was found, in the Chacarita cemetery, Buenos Aires. His obituary was found, everything is readable at the Forget page.
You are welcomed.

Subject:  Forget graves British cemetery Chacarita Buenos Aires

Buenos Aires 31 of december 2002
For the family members wishing to pay theirs respect to the Forget family members, British cemetery, Chacarita, Buenos Aires:
William Forget; 3-F-203 camino 34 s/der. 10a, and Charles Anthony Forget; 6-E-101 camino 26 s/der. 5a.
William Forget's grave is maintained by Derck Dougall or Mrs Olive Dougall-Forget, Acassuso, Buenos Aires, William's daughter.
Charles Anthony Forget's grave is maintained by Rodolfo J Klemmensiewicz Vincente Lopez, Buenos Aires, 355 MRT tel. 4792-0043, or Mrs Joan Klemmensiewicz-Forget, William's daughter.
Alfred Edward Forget's grave was destroyed, according to the British cemetery Chacarita administration office.

Subject:  CharleSubject:  Forget-Cramer/Geneve

Fribourg,  le 18 decembre 2002

Je cherche les descendants passe et actuels de
Louis Ferdinand Forget, fils de Jean-Pierre Forget de Geneve et de Abrahamine Melly de Geneve, ne le 7 jullet 1835 qui epousa le 31.8.1864 Fortunee Adele Cramer a Geneve dont les enfants furent;
Charles Edouard
Jeanne Antoinette
Albert Auguste
Pauline Germaine

Merci pour tout complement.
s Pierre Melly (1829-1888)

I have been doing some research into the type of stone used on buildings in Liverpool, England. Charles Pierre Melly (1829-1888)was the first person in England to provide drinking fountains on city streets, first in 1854 in Liverpool.

Subject:  Rathbone

Great web site - keep the good work going. I am keen to collect some early Rathbone history (English) and tie it into my family. I'll be using this site again.

Cheers,

Scott Rathbone

Date Posted: 18:43:41 12/29/02 Sun

Subject:  Forget

Tue Jul 23 England
Wonderful to see a family photo of my great-grandmother, Mimi Forget - it's so charming. Francis

Date Posted: 18:38:01 12/29/02 Sun

Subject:  Forget relatives

Buenos Aires 30th of december
I am delighted by find on the Net the family FORGET of Geneva, Liverpool, Buenos Aires, which carries the alliance of the family of my mother, Bourgeois of Giez, Grandson, Yverdon.
We find again cousins lost after 50 years.
We are looking for the Lace and the Ashby families, whose Charles Forget's daughter married.
E-mail me to up date our archives.

Author: Daniel A. Guggisberg
Author Host/IP: lsanca2-ar29-4-41-039-131.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net / 4.41.39.131
Subject: a website about Fribourg

Hola Serge
what a nice and pleasant surprise to hear from you. I thoroughly enjoyed looking at your newest website creation, it looks nothing short that magnificant! You make me homesick. I have been living in the United States for more than two decades, the longer I am away, the more homesick I get. But when I manage to visit Switzerland, I cannot avoid noticing that I have become a stranger in my own land, people have changed, become perhaps more cynical, also what is greatly disturbing to me is the urban sprawl... around the city of Berne things start to get out of control. The city has reached already Kehrsatz and is vastly growing towards Belp. That is the area I am most familiar with. On the other directions it starts growing towards the border with Fribourg, all the lush meadows and wheatfields start disappearing and the wooden scaffolds for the planned new housing are rising up everywhere. It is very, very sad and to me personally very upsetting. I hate to imagine how it will look in 30-40 years. 
Take care and thanks for making me aware of this great new website. Keep up the good work.
Daniel

Daniel A. Guggisberg
Redondo Beach, California 90278
USA

Date Posted: 12:41:24 07/12/04 Mon
Author: Mary Wooldridge
Author Host/IP: dial81-135-120-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com / 81.135.120.100
Subject: De Fivas

I was very interested to read of the Gady connection with the De Fivas family as I have been researching them for two years and have just learnt of the various branches in Switzerland

Date Posted: 18:04:33 12/17/02 Tue
Author: Daniel A. Guggisberg
Subject: von Englisberg

California 2002-05-27
I look forward to sharing my research results with you. I am very impressed at your documentation you have and congratulate you for it.

Date Posted: 11:38:20 01/26/03 Sun
Author: Daniel A.Guggisberg
Subject: von Englisberg
In reply to: Daniel A. Guggisberg 's message, "von Englisberg" on 18:04:33 12/17/02 Tue


"Daniel Guggisberg" 

Subject : 
von Englisberg/d'Englisberg family of Fribourg and Berne, Switzerland 

Date : 
Sat, 25 May 2002 16:53:23 -0700 

Dear Serge
I saw your text on Genealogy.com. My family name is Guggisberg
and my ancestors come from a village in the Swiss Canton Bern
called ENGLISBERG.
My family has a proven record of having been there since the late
1300's.

How do you relate to the von Englisberg family? They are extinct
in the name line since the 18th century, but of course they have
intermarried with the von Diessbachs and other bernese patrician
families.

I created a family tree of the von Englisbergs and transmitted it
to the website of FTM (Family Tree Maker). Although I transmitted
it to them free of charge they apparently now ask for a fee if someone
wants to download the data.

I live in the United States, precisely in Redondo Beach, California.
I was born in Switzerland but moved overhere 22 years ago.

Best regards
Daniel A. Guggisberg

Date Posted: 18:52:17 01/22/03 Wed
Author: S./Fribourg
Subject: vitrail Pierre d'Englisberg

Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:49:07 +0200 (CEST) 

Objet: vitrail von Englisberg 
À: Ulrich.Heusser@slm.admin.ch 

Sehr geehrte Frau Condrau,

Ich moechte eine photographie von diesen Vitrail. Zu senden, mit Rechnung an; S, Fribourg. Ich komme Montag in der Schweiz und bin in Oktober in Fribourg. Bestens Dank. S./Fribourg

Date Posted: 12:30:00 10/19/02 Sat
Author: Luis Stuart-Pennington
Subject: von Englisberg history

Name: Luis S. Stuart-Pennington 
Country: Argentina Date: Tue Jul 23 04:02:38 2002 
Comment: Congratulations! This site is remarkable for its historic accuracy and data. It is very pleasant to see such a genealogy work, it is in fact a masterpiece. It will certainly be of much help to other genealogists. 



: Ulrich.Heusser@slm.admin.ch To: daniel.guggisberg@gte.net Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:39 AM Subject: AW: Vitrail Pierre d'Englisberg, Musee National Suisse Lieber Herr Guggisberg, Stimmt, dieses Glasgemaede ist bei uns. Gestern, als unsere Datenbank wieder funktionierte, habe ich es auch gefunden. In der Kartothek habe ich eben nicht vor der Zeit Peters gesucht. Wenn diese Abbildung die Kopie zeigt, ist diese Aeusserst genau. Hier die Angaben aus unserem Katalog: Wappenscheibe von Englisberg um 1480 280 x 183 mm LM 14607 Herkunft: Slg. Vincent, Slg. Nationalrat Bachmann (Frauenfeld) erworben 1917 aus Privatbesitz. "Vor einem blauen, mit langstieligen, in Blumen auslaufenden Pflanzen verzierten Hintergrund steht auf einem Fliesenboden das volle Wappen von Englisberg: geteilt von Gold mit einem wachsenden, halben blauen Loewen und von Rot. Die von Englisberg waren ein altes adeliges Geschlecht aus dem Saanegebiet, verburgert in Bern und Freiburg. Der Berner Zweig, Ministerialen der Kyburger, erlosch gegen 1375, waehrend der Freiburger Zweig bis in die erste Haelfte des 18. Jh. weiterlebte und eine groessere Zahl von Wappenscheiben hinterliess." Es sind also die selben historischen Angaben wie auf der Website. Was das fuer andere Wappenscheiben sind, weiss ich nicht. Wir haben bisher keine Farbfoto unser Scheibe, nehmen aber Bestellungen zum Anlass von Neuaufnahmen. Weil unsere Fotografen Ueberlastet sind, dauert es aber eine Weile. Mit freundlichen Gruessen Ulrich Heusser Angelica Condrau - Leiterin Fotothek Schweiz. Landesmuseum Postfach 8023 Zurich Tel. + 41 01 218 65 39 Fax + 41 01 211 29 49 Ulrich.Heusser@slm.admin.ch 

Date Posted: 13:28:39 06/14/04 Mon
Author: Sebastien Rial
Subject: François-Frédéric Bourgeois (1738-1819)

Cher Monsieur,

Je travaille actuellement sur des lettres non signées trouvées dans des archives
privées. Je pense avoir identifié l'auteur de cette prose qui ne serait autre
que François-Frédéric Bourgeois.
D'après mes renseignements, François-Frédéric habitait une partie de l'année
à Valeyres-sous-Rances, entre Orbe et Yverdon, où il était propriétaire d'une
campagne (Je ne sais pas s'il s'agissait de la maison de Bonstetten). Ce
qui est certain, c'est qu'il menait une vie très intéressante, tournée vers
les sciences, les arts et la littérature (les ouvrages du XIXe siècle font
souvent référence à son sujet au salon littéraire de Valeyres). C'est aussi
dans ce cadre là qu'il a participé à des "complots" pour le retour à l'Ancien
Régime dans le Canton de Vaud.
Hélas, mis à part ces quelques informations, je ne dispose pas d'autres éléments,
hors ceux que l'on trouve dans les dictionnaires historiques. Je me prépare
donc à me rendre aux Archives cantonales vaudoises pour voir s'il existe
un fonds Bourgeois.
Je m'intéresse donc à toute infotmation sur François-Frédéric, et notamment
sur l'existence ou non de fonds d'archives familiales, de correspondance
privée etc. Mes recherches me montrent que F. F. Bourgeois a eu rôle assez
important dans les mouvements contre-révolutionnaires entre 1798 et 1803,
un rôle qui est encore difficile de préciser. Mais je compte bien progresser
rapidement dans mes travaux. Naturellement, si je devais trouver des éléments
particuliers, c'est avec plaisir que je vous en ferais part.

Avec mes sincères salutations.

Sébastien Rial.

Date Posted: 11:20:30 05/06/04 Thu
Author: RIAL Sébastien
Subject: François-Frédéric Bourgeois (1738-1819)

Bonjour,

Je m'intéresse à la vie de Louis-Georges-François Pillichody (1756-1824), personnage auquel je voudrais consacrer une biographie. Contre-révolutionnaire vaudois et général au service de France, Pillichody a bien connu François-Frédéric Bourgeois, avec qui il partageait les mêmes opinions politiques, ultra-conservatrices. Mes recherches me font penser que les deux hommes ont eu une correspondance suivie entre 1799 et 1804. Il m'intéresserait de savoir s'il existe quelque part des archives de la famille Bourgeois, concernant François-Frédéric et son rôle dans les événements politiques survenus en Suisse entre 1798 et 1815. Tout renseignement sur François-Frédéric me serait utile!

Sébastien Rial
Historien, CH

Date Posted: 13:22:13 05/22/04 Sat

Subject: Re: Fraççois-Fréederic Bourgeois (1738-1819)
In reply to: RIAL Sébastien 's message, on 11:20:30 05/06/04 Thu

Bonjour,

Interessant votre courrier. Oui François-Frederic Bourgeois 1738-1819 est un personnage interessant au pays de Vaud dont je souhaiterais developper la biographie.
Concernant les Archives du canton de Vaud, Lausanne, on trouve des documents sur lui.
Concernant les archives de la famille Bourgeois je n'ai pas acces pour l'instant, esperons que j'y aurais acces il devrait y avoir du materiel.
Merci de me transmettre ce que vous trouvez sur lui.

Date Posted: 10:06:53 07/13/03 Sun
Author: Marc Bourgeois
Subject: Meaning of The Bourgeois Motto?

"BOURGEOIS DES CIEUX PAR LA FOY" - Unfortunately, I wasn't taught the French Laguage growing up. I have searched on several English/French dictionary websites and am unable to decipher the meaning of our motto. Could someone please help me? Thank you.

Date Posted: 21:14:52 06/13/03 Fri
Subject:  Thorne-Lachaise

Je m'interesse a la famille Lachaise de Lyon, dont Armand Lachaise s'etablit a New York U.S.A. au 19me siecle. Il epousa deux soeurs Thorne de New York, dont ses enfants furent Eugene, Isabel, Annie, Victorine.
Armand aurait ete un homme d'affaires et fils d'un gouverneur de Lyon, France.
Hello,
I got by chance this message. I own a painting by Eugène-Armand Lachaise (1857-1925). I'd like to get information about him and especially about his artistic career. I suppose, he was the son of Armand Lachaise (from Lyon, France) and Anne Thorne (from New York). Is that right?
Thanks for your help.
François

It is difficult to say, so far we cannot check the Lachaise's from Lyon genealogy we cannot be sure.
So far I know Armand Lachaise who married Anne Thorne from New York had two daughters, Victorine and Annie.
From Victorine, my gggrand-mother we know a lot. From her family almost nothing.
I happened to know that Armand married a second time, another Thorne, and had as children Eugene and Isabel whose destiny I am looking for, they or theirs children could give informations about the family.

As a piece of information I can say that Victorine was good on hand drawing ( une excellente dessinatrice) and that she gave that gift to her son, Victor H. Bourgeois, who painted all his life.
Tell me everything you find on Eugene Armand Lachaise 1857-1925 and we will see if we can find evidences.
Do you have a photograph of him ?
Comparing with Victorine Bourgeois-Lachaise's photograph we should see if they fit to the same family.
Anyway Lyon is a small city, this is an important family, after all Armand was the son of a Gouverneur de Lyon, this should not be very difficult to get theirs genealogy.
Let's be careful, Lachaise is a common name in France and the Net gives another artist, a Gaston Lachaise, maybe they are related.
You are welcomed

Date Posted: 19:54:12 06/15/03 Sun

Subject:  Thorne-Lachaise
In reply to: S./Fribourg 's message,  on 21:14:52 06/13/03 Fri

14 Jun 2003 9:52 AM GMT
Lachaise de Lyon by: S./Fribourg

Thanks so much for your first help. Unfortunately, I don't have any picture of Eugène-Armand Lachaise (1857-1925), I do only have this painting, depicting a fine Japanese interior subject and dated 1889. I've no idea as well about an eventual connection with the artist named Gaston Lachaise. Anyway, this interesting painting will be part of the works, which will be exhibited at the "Salon du Collectionneur" in Paris beginning of September 2003.
Hope I'll have time to get further information.
Thanks again.
François Louveau

Date Posted: 03:32:20 06/13/03 Fri
Author: François Louveau
Subject:  Eugène-ARmand Lachaise

Hello,
I've read by chance your messages. I own a painting by Eugène-Armand Lachaise (1857-1925). I'd like to get information about him and especially about his artistic career. I suppose, he was the son of Armand Lachaise (from Lyon, France) and Anne Thorne (from New York). Is that right?
Thanks for your help.
François

Date Posted: 17:17:13 05/15/03 Thu
Author: Javier Pinilla Dutoit
Subject:  Dutoit in Spain

I am researching my Dutoit family in Spain. My third grandfather, Bernardo Dutoit, was born in Sanlúcar de Barrameda (Cadiz) around 1820. I would appreciate very much any help. Thank you

Date Posted: 21:59:22 05/19/03 Mon

Subject:  Dutoit
In reply to: Javier Pinilla Dutoit 's message,  on 17:17:13 05/15/03 Thu

Dutoit is a rather big family with many many branches, under the german translation of von Dach too.
For some ideas looks under the Vaud forum and ask for Dutoit.

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.weurope.switzerland.cantons.vaud

Also there is the interesting file on Dutoit

http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud/dutoit/

Date Posted: 15:56:18 05/11/03 Sun
Author: Javier Pinilla Dutoit
Subject:  Dutoit in Spain

I am researching my Dutoit family in Spain. I have records on Bernardo Dutoit (b. 1831, Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Cadiz-Cadix, Spain). I would appreciate very much any help on my research.
Thank you very much in advance.
Javier Pinilla Dutoit (j.pinilla-dutoit@bham.ac.uk)
Sevilla-Seville, Spain

Date Posted: 18:56:10 03/08/03 Sat

Subject:  Sir Francis Bourgeois 1753-1811

Sir Francis Bourgeois (1753-1811), landscape painter, painter of the King of Poland Stanislas in 1791, member of the Royal Academy England in 1793, painter of the King Georges III in 1794, and founder of Dulwich Picture Gallery/London.
Medaille de l'Ordre de Merite 12 avril 1791 Pologne.

We are investigating closer the Francis Bourgeois's biography, who is almost unknown in his home canton de Vaud, a family from Giez, Yverdon, Grandson, Corcelettes, and to the Dulwich Picture Gallery/London.

S./Fribourg
http://www.dulwichpicturegallery.org.uk/
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp00507

Date Posted: 10:21:18 02/05/03 Wed
Author: François Browne de Kilmaine
Subject:  Lady Kilmaine

J'ai pris connaissance de l'article sur la mariage de Dorothy Warner et de votre question à M. de Breteuil.
Figure, parmi les invités, Lady Kilmaine.
Elle était la femme de Lord Francis William Browne (1843 - 1907), 4th Baron Kilmaine of The Neale, 10th Baronet of Nova Scotia, Representative Peer of Ireland, qui vivait à Neale House, The Neale, Co Mayo, et à Gaulston Park, Co Westmeath, Ireland.
Ils avaient, également, une maison à Pau, Lord Kilmaine y ayant créé la première compétition entre les deux plus anciens golfs du continent, Pau et Biarritz.
Il y a, dans le club-house de Pau, une peinture représentant Lord et Lady Kilmaine.
Lord Kilmaine mourut à Paris et est enterré à Pau.
Le chef actuel de notre famille est Lord John Browne, 7th Baron Kilmaine of The Neale qui vit dans le Warwickshire.
Ayant écrit un ouvrage sur les Browne of The Neale, je suis à votre disposition pour vous communiquer d'autres informations ou photographies.
François Browne de Kilmaine
Mount Browne
1 rue de la Mothe
85590 MALLIEVRE - FRANCE

Date Posted: 09:58:07 02/02/03 Sun

Subject:  Bourgeois extraction and presumed parenthood

Hello,

Indeed many Bourgeois wish to belong to the Bourgeois's family from Grandson, Yverdon. This happened every century since the 16th century, they got fed up and decided to have an official family tree, by the 17th century when they still could look backwards to the 16th century. This means that this family tree is accurate and reliable.
The question is that there are many Bourgeois families, 4 in Switzerland, due to the extraction of the name, from Burgeis or the one who command a small city, this means that everyone by the time of 800 after Christ when the cities came to light who had to do with the city administration where named Burgeis for the tax purposes record, they started this new invention. By the time of 1450/1500 this was translated into french as Bourgeois. Many hundred Bourgeois's families are from Franche-Comte which is only about 100km from Switzerland, this means that the ones from Switzerland could be from Franche-Comte/France.
I am still checking the accuracy of the Bourgeois family tree and would be interested to add news informations. Informations must be based on evidences, those are documents. Without evidences we have to presume a fact which could with times be confirmed.
To presume a fact one should believe it, some coincidences should be obvious.
You are welcomed, as Pierre Bourgeois says, a well known genealogist from Franche-Comte on the Net, we have all the same grand-father who was born by the time of 400 after Christ.
S./Fribourg
NB; your query and reply were added to the Bourgeois' Guestbook, please carry on the conversation there if necessary
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bourgeois/

From: Lafortune720@aol.com
Subject: Bourgeois Family Tree
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:39:31 EST

Bonjour S,

I am trying to locate the family tree of the Bourgeois Family. We are
located in Ottawa, Canada. What information do you require from me to
determine if we are part of this family tree.

Merci!

Joanne Lafortune fille de Colette Bourgeois,
Mon grandpere Leo-Paul Bourgeois et sa femme Simone Bourgeois (nom de fille Partenais)

Date Posted: 05:58:08 10/19/02 Sat
Author: Berchtold Frank Rordorf
Subject: Rordorf

Berchtold Frank Rordorf
Country: Switzerland Date: Tue Sep 24 11:02:35 2002
Comment: Let us find our common ancestors! It seems to me we have a lot of common roots. Welcome also to my castle in France http://www.Epanvilliers.com Your pages show that we are an abundant interest group of people who want to trace up complete ancestor trees

Date Posted: 05:17:09 11/17/02 Sun

Subject:  Rordorf
In reply to: Berchtold Frank Rordorf 's message, on 05:58:08 10/19/02 Sat

25 septembre 2002 bonjour mon Cher,

Pour Francillon je vous mets en attachment une page de leur genealogie. Je n'ai que quelques pages, par contre toute la genealogie peut etre consultee a la Bibliotheque Nationale Suisse. Vous remarquerez qu'il est difficile de faire mieux dans le genre, excepte qu'il manque les portraits. Pour de Namur je n'ai rien, je voulais seulement dire que l'armoirie ne sort pas aussi bien que les autres sur l'ordinateur. Pour Zurich j'ai deux branches de la famille Bourgeois qui y viviaent, mon arriere-grand-pere Gustav decede en 1911, son fils et sa fille, ma mere (que vous avez vu dans le botin), tous au cimetiere d'Enzenbuhl. Ils n'ont pas eu d'ascendance dans les familles Zurichoises, ma grand-mere de Hesselle venait d'Allemagne, Hollande. Son pere Heinrich de Hesselle avait une affaire d'importation de boyaux d'animaux de la Chine, la Chung King Import SA, a Zurich, dont mon grand-pere Serge Bourgeois (cimetiere de Maggen) s'en occupait. L'affaire tomba en faillite a peu apres son deces en 1944. L'autre branche Bourgeois s'etait allie Pestalozzi, Schulthess-von Rechberg, de Stoutz, dont je cherche les tombes, si vous avez une indication. Inutile de dire que je n'arrive pas a communiquer avec eux.

Pour notre parente commune il est uniquement interessant de savoir laquelle a le sang commun, les parents par alliance n'ont pas d'interets a part d'etre sur un database. Au premier coup d'oeil j'ai vu Jeanne de Bubenberg, je vous mets en attachement la partie de son arbre la concernant. Pour le database (dont je n'ai pas compris vos explications) je vais essaier de me renseigner, mais de toute facon j'aurais le plaisir de vous inviter a dejeuner. Je dois venir a Bale voir Francois Bourgeois, Birsfelden, mais si vous travaillez vous aurez peu de temps. Mieux de venir a Berne une fin de semaine, je peux vous donner rendez-vous a la statue de Adrien de Bubenberg (que je dois photographier), la autour il y a des a restaurants. J'arrive lundi 30 septembre Kloten, je pourrais vous proposer le samedi qui suit. Salutations

Date Posted: 10:08:02 01/26/03 Sun
Author: Berchtold F. Ror5dorf
Subject:  Rordorf
In reply to: Berchtold Frank Rordorf 's message, on 05:58:08 10/19/02 Sat

Secretan
De: berchtold.rordorf@pharma.novartis.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002
Cher cousin

Je cherche les pages de geneologie des Secretan sur le WEB. Ma cousine
Laurette Leplay - Nicole - Karfft - Secretan m'a indique qu'il y aurait
un
site avec la geneologie complete de tous les Secretan?

Je m'apelle Berchtold F. Rordorf et j'habite à Riehen près Bâle. Mon
site
http://www.Rordorf.com et la base de donnés:

http://www21.brinkster.com/bfrordorf/index.asp

Cherchez pour Secretan et choissisez Descendents pour obtenir ces
schemas:

(See attached file: secretan.htm)

Bonjour
Berchtold F. Rordorf

Date Posted: 12:41:01 01/26/03 Sun
Author: Berchtold F. Rordorf
Subject:  de Beausobre/Francillon
In reply to: Berchtold Frank Rordorf 's message on 05:58:08 10/19/02 Sat


berchtold.rordorf@pharma.novartis.com

Subject :
Beausobre

Date :
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:53:50 +0200

Monsieur

Je cherche la genealogie des Beausobre et des Francillon et je peux offrir
en echange celle des Krafft, Secretan, de Goumoens. Mon site WEB contient
4000 personnes plus héraldique. http://www.Rordorf.com etc. ou direct:

http://www21.brinkster.com/bfrordorf/index.asp

Il faut se definir un nom d'utilisateur et un mot de passe (sergedemueller /
sergedemueller) et entrer avec ce double.
Après cherchez par exemple Krafft ou Francillon

Pour les Beausobre j'ai un grand trou! Est-ce vous pouvez m'aider?

Sincèrement
Berchtold F. Rordorf
http://www.Epanvilliers.com

Date Posted: 11:30:54 01/26/03 Sun

Subject:  Giez, le chateau, les Tourelles, les Ramiers


Tourelles. Chateau, Ramiers
Date :
Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:11:51 +0000
Regardez sur le forum du Cercle Vaudois de Genealogie, Briere, Francillon et de Rham, concernant les habitants des maisons patronales de Giez, les Tourelles le Chateau et la maison de Rham pas encore appele les Ramiers, en 1904, par Victor H. Bourgeois.
S./Fribourg

Date Posted: 10:49:03 01/26/03 Sun

Subject:  Limbourg Stirum

Date: March 20, 2002 at 14:30:00
In Reply to: Count de Limbourg-Strum by S./Fribourg

Sir,
I advice you to look in the white pages of Belgium for the de Limburg Stirum or
Limbourg Stirum.It is a well known family here.
Yannie,

Date Posted: 10:39:06 01/26/03 Sun

Subject:  Masset

Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:55:49 -0700 (PDT)
De: "Mary Massett" Objet: Masset Name

Dear S., Hello, just wondering which Masset names
you have in your Family Tree? My Massetts-Massets are
from Russia-(Strasburg). They are Lorenz Masset and
Karl Masset. Thanking you in advance as to any help
you can give me. Mary Massett-sandrarider7@yahoo.com

Date Posted: 10:37:18 01/26/03 Sun
Author: Cheryl Brooke
Subject:  Tribolet

Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:14:56 -0400
c.brooke" Objet: Tribolet


Hello--
I am just getting interested in this business of genealogy and was
wondering if you might be able to give me some help. My
great-grandfather
was a Rudolphe Tribolet who was born in Neuchatel in 1833. Could you
give
me a clue as to where I might start looking. If the Tribolet family is
somehow related to yours, I thought perhaps you wouldn't mind if I
asked.
Thank you very much!
Cheryl Brooke

Date Posted: 10:01:58 01/26/03 Sun
Author: Patricia Cooper
Subject:  Lachaise New York
In reply to: S,  's message, on 08:19:15 10/24/02 Thu

February 13, 2002 at 11:11:46
In Reply to: Count Leon Moltke-Hvitfeldt Edith Garner by S./Fribourg

Victorine Lachaise and Edith Garner were second cousins. Do you have information on them, their husbands and/or children? I have information on their ancestry and would be willing to exchange.

Date Posted: 10:25:32 01/26/03 Sun
Author: Mareille Bourgeois
Subject:  Lachaise USA
In reply to: Patricia Cooper 's message, on 10:01:58 01/26/03 Sun

June 18, 2002 at 17:12:12
In Reply to: Bourgeois-Lachaise by S./Fribourg of 1252

Probably not relevant, but just in case. I came across Marie Louise de la Chaise, b. May 21, 1734 in Natchitoches, Louisiana, Anne Marie de la Chaise, b. 1736, Louis Antonio de la Chaise de St. Denis, b. 1737, whose parents were Marie Rose Juchereau de St. Denis and Jacques de la Chaise 11, son of Jacques de la Chaise and Marguerite Cailly (de la Chaise).
Marielle A. Bourgeois

Thanks for the Lachaise information. This USA branch of this french family from Lyon was located in the Thorne family, as everybody knows is one of the most relevant USA families, which names includes Vanderbilt.
http://thorn.pair.com/williamthorne1/d48.htm
Looking at surnames list you get Lachaise, and Victorine Lachaise who married Auguste Bourgeois from Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, Switzerland. They say she has a sister and another half sister and another half brother Eugene, whose whereabout I am looking for. This family should not be mixed-up with others Bourgeois families, this is a common name.

Date Posted: 10:20:58 01/26/03 Sun


Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:51:06 -0700
De: "Nancy C."
Marrel

My gggrandmother was Jenny Marrel, parents were Jeanne Louis
Marrel and Marianne Gallandat. Jenny was born Sept. 1821 in
Marquettez, Vaud, Switzerland. Are these connected to your
Marrel's?

Nancy C.
Pittman Valley, AZ (The AZ Arctic Dust Zone)

Date Posted: 09:53:19 01/26/03 Sun

Subject:  chateau de Breteuil addresse

Voici les coordonnées du Château de Breteuil où vivent le Marquis et la Marquise de Breteuil en 2001.

Pour prendre contact :
Adresse postale Château de Breteuil
Choisel
78460 Chevreuse
FRANCE
Téléphone +33 (0) 130 520 502
(répondeur touristique),
ou +33 (0) 130 524 676
de 9h30 à 18h00, heure française
Télécopieur +33 (0) 130 527 110
Internet http://www.castle-france.com
Courrier électronique breteuil@castle-france.com

Date Posted: 15:02:54 10/25/02 Fri
Subject:  Lace

Lace Liverpool
Author: S,  Date: 31 Aug 2002 1:06 AM GMT
Classification: Query

LACE
30 august 2002
We are looking for our cousins, the Lace family.
Indeed Charles Forget-Bourgeois's daughter is;
Marguerite Cecile born 20 october 1858, Liverpool, Lancashire, (married 2 juni 1885 Charles Verney LACE from Liverpool and West Derby, son of Joshua-Verney and Theodosia-Fanny Walker).
Any information is welcomed.

Date Posted: 19:49:41 01/22/03 Wed
Author: Francis
Subject:  Lace
In reply to: S 's message, on 15:02:54 10/25/02 Fri

Francis des Rosiers
Objet: RE: British family
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003
Dear S,
Thank you for your Christmas wishes. I am sorry it has taken so long to reply.
Delighted to hear that you have found the elusive Ashby and Lace at last: the census sounds incredible. I haven’t had an opportunity to explore further myself but I think the sporting relative is (Colonel?) Harold Topham. He really was an incredible all-rounder.
Wishing you a happy New Year with continuing success in finding the gigantic family you seem to have accrued on all our behalfs.
Warmest wishes, Francis

Date Posted: 19:15:36 01/22/03 Wed
Author: Charles Siebenthal
Subject:  Armorial Vaudois

Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:40:07 EST
Objet: Re: Bourgeois Family.

Hello S.

I will send the Dutoit family and ALSO the Quisard family of Massongy (Haute-Savoie) Etablie a Nyon des 1489 en personne de Michel Quisard, notaire, qui duc de Savoie au Pays de Vaud.
There is one large black and white coat of arms, 1559, one seal 1595. There is one color coat of arms.

Send ALL the names you are interested in and I will look in the "ARMORIAL VAUDOIS" for you. There are around 4,500 surnames in the canton of Vaud in these volumes.

Very happy to help all I can.

Chuck

Date Posted: 18:34:07 01/22/03 Wed
Subject:  Agnes Prange

Hello Mister Prange,

Darf Ich Ihnen zufaellig fragen...
I mean I want to ask you if you know about Agnes Prange, Uruguay, daughter of Antoine Prange from Breme and Helene Langhoff.
She married november 1882, Uruguay, Alfred Edward Forget, from Liverpool and Switzerland, my relative.
Most interesting are Agnes Forget-Prange death date, I know it is about 1913, but which day ? Her ancestors are welcomed too.
Thanks for your help.
S./Fribourg

Date Posted: 18:07:36 01/22/03 Wed

Subject:  Schuppisser

hello Martin Shuppisser,
I would like to add an hyperlink on the Bourgeois page for Schuppisser.
Its looks to be under construction, maybe you have a page for me.
Anyway your hello under the Guestbook is welcomed.
Still no knews of Maria Schuppisser-de Hesselle 20th century ?

Date Posted: 17:09:24 01/11/03 Sat

Subject:  Francis des Rosiers web site

Francis des Rosiers" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:18:17 -
Dear S,
Very best wishes to you too for Christmas and the New Year.
I’m delighted to hear of your breakthrough. If you can’t open the attachments I sent you, you could find out what I’m doing on my website which is currently under construction:

www.fdr-consulting.netfirms.com.

I’ll look forward to exploring the websites you have sent me over the next couple of weeks. The famous sportsman was Henry Topham I think but I’ll check at Christmas when I meet up with my brother.
Warmest regards, Francis
Francis des Rosiers, MCIPD

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Daintrees Farm, Park Lane, Fen Drayton, Cambridge CB4 5SW

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Date Posted: 20:03:59 01/09/03 Thu

Subject:  Rosset

9th january 2003
I reply of a Rosset query, Rootsweb Vaud forum
If those names seems very common in Vaud canton and difficult to get accurate information, except for having a look at the birth, dead register and Vaud archives, I would be interested if you have a Rosset/Bourgeois marriage. Bourgeois genealogy 1450-2000, family from Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, Bonvillars, gives; 18th century Jeanne Bourgeois. Elle epousa M. ROSSET, d'Avenches.

Date Posted: 17:36:21 01/07/03 Tue
Subject:  Pamela Coulson/Rathbone

I am looking for my relative born Rathbone, daughter of Guy Benson and Theodora de Selincourt, Pamela was born 25 november 1912, Hampstead, London, she married in 1946 in the Ashford area of Kent to Edward Coulson, who taught history, family records says she may still be living in the Oxford area.
Any idea ?

Date Posted: 11:39:28 01/01/03 Wed
Subject:  Georges Golembiowski

Georges Golembiowski, Swiss citizen from Giez, of polish extraction I presume, son of Nina Golembiowska. By the year 1935 he was in Buenos Aires/Argentina. I presume he was related to the de Richter family, from Jitomir, Ukraine, which family I am also looking for.
Any information is welcomed.
Bonjour
Je chercher a localiser genealogiquement, avec descendance actuelle, Georges Golembiowski, citoyen Suisse de Giez, d'origine polonaise je presume, se trouvant en 1935 a Buenos Aires/Argentine. Sa mere fut Nina Golembiowska. Je pense qu'il etait parente a la famille de Richter de Zitomir, ou Jitomir, Ukraine, dont je cherche aussi des informations.
Merci de votre e-mail. Notre famille est de la ville "UMAN" en Ukraine, pas tres loin de Jitomir. Mon grand pere était ingenieur au parc Soffivka à Uman, avant la revolution. Mon pere avait 16 ans quand il est parti avec les "Blancs"pour lutter contre les "Bolsheviques". Il etait ne en 1903, son pere etait Stepan Adolphovitch Golembiowski. Je crois que nous parlons de la même famille, peut etre eloignee, mais il y avait peu de Golembiowski en Ukraine.
Bien cordialement,
Yasha Golembiowski (Brussels)
Mon arriere grand-pere Gustave Bourgeois, famille de Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, Suisse, avait epouse Alexandrine de Richter de Jitomir, Ukraine, (avec cerificat en russe de noblesse), fille de Robert et Vera Kalino ou Mlle Rybalt. Toujours est-il que mon grand-pere Serge Bourgeois demanda a un monsieur Georges Golembiowski en Pologne dans l'annee 1939 quel etait le nom de sa grand-mere, ce dernier lui repondit avec une lettre de bureau, en tete imprime son nom et prenom et differents termes je crois en polonais. Il me serait facile de scanner cette lettre.
Plus precisement je retrouve un Georges Golembiowski, fils de Nina Golembiowska, je ne crois pas que ce soit le meme mentionne plus haut, dans le testament de mon grand-oncle Victor h. Bourgeois, 1935, avec disposition "pour mon filleul" dans lequel il fut particulierement mentionne je dirais. Cette parente presume ne peut venir que de la famille de Richter de Jitomir. Ceci pour dire que je me demandais qui est frere de qui et qui sont les heritiers de ce dernier Golembiowski. Commes vous dites il ne doit pas y avoir tellement de parents ou cousins Golembiowski ?. Passionant tout ceci, Yahscha ?
Merci de vos complements.
pour notre public sur le Net je fais une traducion en anglais:
I am looking information on the de Richter family from Jitomir Ukrania and theirs presumed parents the Golembiowski family. Any information is welcomed.

Date Posted: 17:36:30 12/19/02 Thu
Subject:  1901 British census/Forget/Melly

19th of december 2002
Good News dear family members
The new British 1901 census just came on Net, with plenty of names like Melly. Many of them belong to our family, you will see. Melly from Garston, this is a familiar place.
The site is half free half to be paid.
Strange is that there is no mention of Louisa Forget, she is alive by this time. Maybe she mooved abroad maybe the census is not 100% accurate. I think that she was still in England, at least she was not in Switzerland, but who knows, whe are here to learn ?
You are welcomed;
http://www.pro.gov.uk/
S.

Date Posted: 15:31:34 12/21/02 Sat
Author: Francis des Rosiers
Subject: 1901 British census/Forget/Melly
In reply to: S 's message, on 17:36:30 12/19/02 Thu

Sat, 21 Dec 2002

Dear S,

Very best wishes to you too for Christmas and the New Year.
I’m delighted to hear of your breakthrough. If you can’t open the attachments I sent you, you could find out what I’m doing on my website which is currently under construction:

www.fdr-consulting.netfirms.com.

I’ll look forward to exploring the websites you have sent me over the next couple of weeks. The famous sportsman was Henry Topham I think but I’ll check at Christmas when I meet up with my brother.

Warmest regards, Francis

Date Posted: 15:17:05 12/18/02 Wed
Subject:  Eugene Bourgeois de Giez le flambeur/La Paz

 19 decembre 2002
Eugene gustave auguste Bourgeois de Giez le flambeur born 18 juillet 1844 worked for the bank du Nord in Paris which went bankrupt and died in La Paz Bolivia 6 september 1886.
Any information about Eugene is welcomed

Date Posted: 18:46:39 12/17/02 Tue
Author: Diane Lingjaerde-Bourgeois
Subject:  Chapelle Bourgeois a Grandson

Aux co-heritiers de la Chapelle Bourgeois
Madame Christiane Kahrmann
Jean de Muller

Geneve, le 27 septembre 2002

Chers Cousins,

Le projet des travaux de restauration de l’Eglise de Grandson a relance la question de la donation de la chapelle a l’Etat de Vaud, souhaitee depuis des annees par ses precedents heritiers Jean et Genevieve Bourgeois de Giez. (L’enveloppe des travaux de refection de la chapelle seule s’eleve à 150 000 francs)

Apres une premiere consultation aupres de chacun de vous, la solution de la donation paraissait toujours d’actualite.

J’ai ete contactee par l’architecte M. Verdon et par M. J.-P. Pilet (service immobilier de l’Etat) pour nous aider a trouver une issue favorable a ce projet. La restauration de la chapelle devant aller de pair avec celle de l’Eglise, une decision au sujet de la chapelle devrait pouvoir etre prise des cet automne. M. Verdon aimerait soumettre tres prochainement le projet aux deux instances susceptibles de donner leur feu vert (le Conseil d’Etat et le Grand Conseil), afin de pouvoir mener a bien les travaux de restauration de l’eglise en meme temps que ceux de la chapelle (qui fait partie integrante du batiment).

Une donation simple n’est – malheureusement - juridiquement pas envisageable, etant donne qu’il est (apres verification) impossible de reunir tous les heritiers inscrits au registre foncier (ou leurs eventuels successeurs).

M. Pilet nous a toutefois indique une autre procedure possible, contenue a l’article 393 du Code Civil, qui permet de mettre un bien sous curatelle. Le curateur pourrait etre Me. Pierre Gasser a Grandson (notaire de la famille depuis des annees), celui-ci se chargerait de la procedure de transfert de propriete a L’Etat de Vaud. Nous pouvons prevoir une condition en echange de notre « don » telle qu’une clause garantissant la preservation de ce patrimoine familial pour en garantir la perennite.
Les frais de la procedure seraient a notre charge. (Nous pourrions les prelever sur l’hoirie).

Pour toute question je vous suggere de contacter directement M. Pilet (coordonnees selon lettre annexee).

Etant pour des questions de disponibilite geographique leur principale interlocutrice, je vous serais reconnaissante de m’informer rapidement par ecrit de votre decision, (vous pouvez aussi faire parvenir votre accord directement à Me. Gasser a Grandson).

Avec mes meilleurs messages,

Diane Lingjaerde-Bourgeois/Geneve

Date Posted: 19:03:55 12/17/02 Tue
Subject:  Chapelle Bourgeois a Grandson
In reply to: Diane Lingjaerde-Bourgeois 's message,  on 18:46:39 12/17/02 Tue

 18 decembre 2002
Chere Diane,

Je suis en conformite avec ton courrier, il etait de notre devoir effectivement de respecter la volonte des ancetres Bourgeois, soit de faire le possible pour que cela reste prive.
Avec cette formule on garde ces avantages ou droits historiques tout en s'adaptant a notre nouveau siecle.

Date Posted: 17:24:39 12/17/02 Tue

Subject:  Forget-Cramer/Geneve

 le 18 decembre 2002
Je cherche les descendants passe et actuels de
Louis Ferdinand Forget, fils de Jean-Pierre Forget de Geneve et de Abrahamine Melly de Geneve, ne le 7 jullet 1835 qui epousa le 31.8.1864 Fortunee Adele Cramer a Geneve dont les enfants furent;
Charles Edouard
Jeanne Antoinette
Albert Auguste
Pauline Germaine

Merci pour tout complement.

Date Posted: 17:17:02 12/17/02 Tue
Subject:  Greppin

 17 decembre 2002
Je cherche la descendance actuelle de Fernand Greppin de Develier/Jura, ingenieur des ponts au 20me siecle, qui avait epouse Kyra Bourgeois, famille de Giez, Grandson, Yverdon.
L'ascendance est aussi bien venue.

Date Posted: 19:16:37 12/14/02 Sat
Subject:  Anna de Muralt/Zurich

Mon oncle Victor H. Bourgeois, 1864-1935, archeologue bien connu au pays de Vaud, qui grandit a Zurich, famille de Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, etait en relation avec Anna de Muralt, suivant ses archives. Son nom apparait dans un courrier du 23 novembre 1893.
Anna de Muralt etait aussi en relation avec le neveu de Victor H. Bourgeois, soit Gustave Armand Bourgeois allie de Richter, ingenieur residant a Zurich au debut du siecle et y inhume.
Afin de m'aider dans l'elaboration de la biographie de Victor H. Bourgeois je cherche son courrier ou tout document, informations la concernant.
Merci.

Date Posted: 19:10:06 12/14/02 Sat
Subject: Chungking Import AG Zurich

I am looking for any information on the company "Chungking Import AG Zurich, which went bankrupt circa 1949. The company was importing goods for hospitals from China and was founded by Heinrich de Hesselle I presume in the 20th century. Heinrich's daughter was Jeanne de Hesselle who married Serge Bourgeois de Giez 1892-1944.

Date Posted: 09:17:05 10/19/02 Sat

Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud

1 octobre 2002
http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud/verdeil/bk4ch12.htm

11Bourgeois, capitaine au service de France, était un
officier très-distingué. Il appartenait à la famille
Bourgeois d'Yverdon, quoique Arnaud prétende qu'il
était de Neufchâtel.

Je ne vois pas qui cela peut etre, la genealogie des Bourgeois d'Yverdon est tres exacte, je n'ai pas de candidat pour lui, bien que l'on peut s'imaginer qu'il aie ete omis volontairement de la genealogie pour des raisons
comprehensibles.
Pourtant c'est troublant, le fait qu'il aie ete un
officier distingue peut faire croire qu'il appartenait
a une famille d'un certain standing et je crois que
ceux d'Yverdon etaient les seuls. Il y en a bien a
Ballaigues mais d'un autre niveau.
Les Bourgeois de Grandson et d'Yverdon avaient aussi
une branche a Neuchatel.
Si vous tombez sur une nouvelle indication je reverrai
mes recherches.

Date Posted: 09:21:44 10/19/02 Sat
Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud
In reply to: S. 's message,  on 09:17:05 10/19/02 Sat


Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:33:58 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: capitaine Bourgeois d Yverdon a l echafaud

Hello Mister Mc Coy,

This is a very interesting story

http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud/verdeil/bk4ch12.htm

which I do not have any idea who it could be, I mean according the Bourgeois of Grandson and Yverdon genealogy 1450-2000. As I must look for more facts I hyperlinked this page to the Bourgeois page; http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bourgeois/

and I added a note on the Message Board of this page. I hope it is OK.

Date Posted: 09:31:22 10/19/02 Sat
Author: John McCoy
Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud
In reply to: S 's message,  on 09:21:44 10/19/02 Sat


Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:27:01 -0400

Thanks for your note! You are the second person to raise this
interesting question. I have not attempted to identify the Capitaine
Bourgeois, but I will check the sources that are available to me. It may be
that we can find additional information in the church records of Nyon
(perhaps recording his death, or making some reference to his family, and
thus perhaps futher details of his origins), the various documents cited
by Verdeil himself, or the notarial records of the period (we would
presume that he left some estate that would have to be settled after his
death). Failing that, I expect the archives of Bern must have further
details, since Bern ordered the execution.

You probably know that we are not helped by the practice of the
notaries of that period, who generally referred to important persons ONLY by
their titles, "le capitaine Bourgeois" etc., rather than by their full
names!

I have often wondered if the Swiss have remembered the exploits of
their soldiers. This is perhaps understandable, since so many of them only
fought in other people's wars! In the United States, we have taken
pains to gather and preserve all possible records of military service, but
it does not seem that such detail is available for Switzerland.
Through examples such as this perhaps we can gain a better understanding of
where we should be looking.

I will let you know if I find any further information.

With best regards,

John McCoy
Long Beach, CA
USA

Date Posted: 09:35:29 10/19/02 Sat

Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud
In reply to: John McCoy 's message, on 09:31:22 10/19/02 Sat


Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:18:45 +0200 (CEST)

Hello Mister McCoy,

Thanks a lot for the mailing. I print it on the Message board of Bourgeois, if presume you agree.

By a great coincidence I am in Berne and I planned to see the archives regarding the von Bubenberg, this is the family where I can reach Charlemagne, but this is another story. So I could try to check for the Capitaine Bourgeois, if you have some indication, as go to the genealogy side, go to the execution side and so on. You know archives are big, usually they have everything we need, the question is to put the hand on it.

I am very pleased that you care about our Capitaine Bourgeois. By the way I am Antoine Berne, this is one on my uncles which sometimes I lend the name.... By the way he was an important men, he is recorded on the new electronic dictionnaire historique et biographique de la Suisse.

Regarding our Swiss soldiers it is a personnal matter, depending on the Syndic. In Berne they have the Adrien von Bubenberg statue, dead 1506 and the statue done by the end of the 19th century... I am from Fribourg and what do we have ? nothing except l'abbe Bovet.... Not even the founder of the city Berthold 4 de Zaehringen. I still hope that this can be made up, I would like to see the statue of Louis d'Affry, dead 1810, who negotiated with Napoleon, at a time when Fribourg was the capital of Europe, at leat this is what we like to believe....

Best Regards

Date Posted: 09:39:22 10/19/02 Sat
Author: John McCoy
Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud
In reply to: S.'s message. on 09:35:29 10/19/02 Sat


Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:14:06 -0400

The Dictionnaire Biographique et Historique de la Suisse (about 1928)
identifies the captain as Jean-Jacques Bourgeois, born about 1650 in
Neuchâtel. Verdeil seems to be saying that the captain had citizenship in
Yverdon. It is possible, I suppose, that both statements are correct!

The Dictionnaire says that Bourgeois was a distinguished soldier
serving in France with the regiment of d'Erlach -- although that statement
always leaves me wondering WHICH d'Erlach it was, at any moment in time
-- and that he lived at Cressier in Neuchâtel after returning from
France, later joining a nephew Théodore-Guillaume Favre in some kind of
commercial venture. It does not say where and how he became entangled with
the pastor Arnaud and the expedition of the Vaudois de Piémont.

It occurs to me that if the captain was a citizen only of Neuchâtel,
and therefore not a subject of LL.EE. de Berne, his procès might have
been handled differently, and would have involved a representative from
that principality. Also, Verdeil was presumbably basing his statements
on information from other historians that he knew personally (1840's),
but I think he would have been swayed by any suggestion that Bourgeois
was a citizen of the Pays de Vaud. In that event, his execution becomes
a sort of martyrdom against the tyrany of Bern, with greater
significance to the story of the Pays de Vaud and its struggle to emerge from
foreign domination.

The documents cited by Verdeil mention a commission appointed at Bern
to consider the case. The matter was very sensational, so the
archivists should certainly be able to locate the records of the commission, if
they still exist.

Let me know if you are able to identify the information given above
with the "official" Bourgeois genealogy.

With best regards,

John McCoy
Long Beach, CA
USA

Date Posted: 09:43:49 10/19/02 Sat
Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud
In reply to: John McCoy 's message, on 09:39:22 10/19/02 Sat


Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:33:41 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Mister McCoy,

Most interesting your letter, thanks. No ther closest I could find was;

Jean Jacques Bourgeois. Mort en mars 1691. Il a legue aux enfants de noble Jean Francois Charriere de Mex et de Bournens, son oncle, L 140.-.

But the book Bourgeois genealogy with the branches is in Buenos Aires, I have a copy at Rootsweb but it is not so easy to look at. I find a few Jean-Jacques around 1690, the execution date was ? but the order came in march 1690. I have to check the DHBS, I assumed that this was a copy of our genealogy but its looks different because I do not see a Regiment d'Erlach, so I am confused.

Yes the statement is correct, we were the Bourgeois from Yverdon with a branch in Neuchatel, excepting that a Bourgeois from somewhere else was just radicated there, but this is not the meaning of Verdeil. Yes this is a sensational case, the archives in Berne should find easely, maybe this commission or other files. I check.

I re-email you as soon as I have new.

Date Posted: 09:48:07 10/19/02 Sat

Subject: le Capitaine Bourgeois d'Yverdon a l'echafaud
In reply to: Ss message on 09:43:49 10/19/02 Sat


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:42:41 +0200 (CEST)

Yes I checked. He is said to come from a Bourgeois family of Neuchatel,
starting 14th century and ended 18th century. This should not be the
ones from Grandson and Yverdon. We just had a branch for a century there.
The DHBS says that his nephew is a Favre. I could locate a Favre in our
genealogy; : Marie Bourgeois. Elle epousa Francois FAVRE, d'Yverdon.
The dates is about 1650 which is OK, but she do not have a brother named
Jean-Jacques.
I shall further have a look, he is born about 1650 and was executed 21
mars 1690.
This family from Neuchatel may be related with ours, but for this I
must study before 1450 and this is the date where our genealogy beginns.
This is a difficult period to study. There may be some confusion too,
this is because we made a genealogy, they had problem with others
Bourgeois pretending being of the Yverdon ones, so our genealogy is accurate.
So far if nothing news happens or occurs, this Jean-Jacques belongs to
the Bourgeois of Neuchatel. Yes you are wright, if he was from canton
de Vaud he would be better known in this canton.
With Best Regards

Date Posted: 20:38:49 12/08/02 Sun
Author: 
Subject:  le Capitaine J-J Bourgeois de Neuchatel/Yverdon a l'echafaud 1690
In reply to: S. 's message, on 09:48:07 10/19/02 Sat

I posted a message on this matter on the Neuchatel and Vaud message board, rootstweb. Let's hope that someone has additonals informations. I check again on the Bourgeois's from Yverdon genealogy book to-night, I have it at home. I let you know if something comes to light.

S./Fribourg

Je cherche des complements sur cette sombre affaire, l'execution du capitaine Jean-Jacques Bourgeois de Neuchatel et d'Yverdon ? a l'echafaud en 1690, et particulierement sur sa famille Bourgeois de Neuchatel qui serait eteinte au 18me siecle.
Merci/S./Fribourg

L'Avoyer, Petit et Grand-Conseil de la ville de Berne, nos salutations prémises à vous, cher et féal Bailli!

Après avoir fait examiner le procès criminel du capitaine Bourgeois, par une commission à ce sujet établie, il nous a été fait par icelle ce matin un rapport, tant littéral que verbal, par lequel nous avons trouvé les circonstances d'icelui de telles conséquences, que nous n'avons pu de moins, vu le mérite du fait, que de laisser le cours à la justice, et de connaître ce que, en de pareilles occasions, des magistrats chrétiens sont obligés de faire pour le maintien de leur autorité, et pour vivre avec ses voisins en bonne union et concorde. Nous avons donc, avec mûre délibérations sur les faits contenus dans les dites procédures, sentencé comme s'en suit :

Que le dit Bourgeois doit avoir publiquement la tête tranchée par l'exécuteur de notre Haute-Justice, sur le port de la ville de Nyon.

Nous entendons que, quoiqu'il arrive de son côté, la dite exécution doit avoir sa suite.

Nous ordonnons en même temps que vous fassiez entourer la dite place d'exécution par des gens armés, avec défense de ne laisser passer aucun étranger.

Nous entendons que la dite exécution soit accompagnée de toutes les démarches qu'on a accoutumé de faire en pareil cas.

Nous espérons que vous ferez exécuter nos ordres sans faire réflexions sur quoi que ce soit.

Nous vous recommandons à Dieu. Donné le 17 mars 1690.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud/verdeil/bk4ch12.htm

11Bourgeois, capitaine au service de France, était un
officier très-distingué. Il appartenait à la famille
Bourgeois d'Yverdon, quoique Arnaud prétende qu'il
était de Neufchâtel.

Je ne vois pas qui cela peut etre, la genealogie des Bourgeois d'Yverdon est tres exacte, je n'ai pas de candidat pour lui, bien que l'on peut s'imaginer qu'il aie ete omis volontairement de la genealogie pour des raisons comprehensibles. Pourtant c'est troublant, le fait qu'il aie ete un officier distingue peut faire croire qu'il appartenait
a une famille d'un certain standing et je crois que ceux d'Yverdon etaient les seuls. Il y en a bien a Ballaigues mais d'un autre niveau. Les Bourgeois de Grandson et d'Yverdon avaient aussi une branche a Neuchatel.
Si vous tombez sur une nouvelle indication je reverrai mes recherches.
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bourgeois
S./Fribourg

The Dictionnaire Biographique et Historique de la Suisse (about 1928)
identifies the captain as Jean-Jacques Bourgeois, born about 1650 in
Neuchâtel. Verdeil seems to be saying that the captain had citizenship in
Yverdon. It is possible, I suppose, that both statements are correct!

The Dictionnaire says that Bourgeois was a distinguished soldier
serving in France with the regiment of d'Erlach -- although that statement
always leaves me wondering WHICH d'Erlach it was, at any moment in time
-- and that he lived at Cressier in Neuchâtel after returning from
France, later joining a nephew Théodore-Guillaume Favre in some kind of
commercial venture. It does not say where and how he became entangled with
the pastor Arnaud and the expedition of the Vaudois de Piémont.

It occurs to me that if the captain was a citizen only of Neuchâtel,
and therefore not a subject of LL.EE. de Berne, his procès might have
been handled differently, and would have involved a representative from
that principality. Also, Verdeil was presumbably basing his statements
on information from other historians that he knew personally (1840's),
but I think he would have been swayed by any suggestion that Bourgeois
was a citizen of the Pays de Vaud. In that event, his execution becomes
a sort of martyrdom against the tyrany of Bern, with greater
significance to the story of the Pays de Vaud and its struggle to emerge from
foreign domination.

The documents cited by Verdeil mention a commission appointed at Bern
to consider the case. The matter was very sensational, so the
archivists should certainly be able to locate the records of the commission, if
they still exist.

Let me know if you are able to identify the information given above
with the "official" Bourgeois genealogy.

With best regards,

John McCoy
Long Beach, CA
USA

Date Posted: 08:47:41 10/17/02 Thu

Subject: Forget

FORGET
Good News
Alfred Edward Forget was found, in the Chacarita cemetery, Buenos Aires. His obituary was found, everything is readable at the Forget page.
You are welcomed.

Date Posted: 17:57:25 12/08/02 Sun

Subject:  Forget graves British cemetery Chacarita Buenos Aires
In reply to: S. 's message, on 08:47:41 10/17/02 Thu


7 december 2002
For the family members wishing to visit the Forget graves;
3 203, camino or way number 34 on the right, 10th grave, Charles Forget.
G E 101, camino or way number 26, on the right, fith grave, William Forget.
British cemetery Chacarita, Buenos Aires
Alfred Edward's Forget grave was destroyed. William Forget's grave is maintained by Mrs Dereck Dougall, William Forget's daughter, Acassuso, Buenos Aires, and Charles Forget's grave is kept by Mrs Rodolfo J. Klemmensiewicz, called Joan, William Forget's daughter, VF Vincente Lopez 355 MRT tel. 4792-0043 (Buenos Aires).

Date Posted: 14:24:46 11/27/02 Wed
Author: John McCoy
Subject:  Villmergen

19 novembre 2002
Our project of publishing the history of Canton Vaud on the web has at last reached the great battle of Villmergen of 1712. This "second war of Villmergen" was a battle between protestant and catholic forces, a watershed in Swiss history. Thousands of men on both sides perished in a single day. It is a great misfortune that very few of their names have come down to us. Beyond the names of the commanding officers, and a few of the ordinary recruits who left written accounts, I was able to find almost nothing. But Villmergen must surely figure in almost any pedigree from Canton Vaud, because such a large proportion of the protestant forces were drawn from this territory, then occupied by Their Excellencies of Bern.

The account of the events of Villmergen is the latest chapter in our project to publish the entire Histoire du Canton de Vaud, from the original volumes published in Lausanne about 1850. See the entire project at

http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud/verdeil/

If anyone has identified a veteran of Villmergen in their Swiss pedigree, please post an account of his story here.

John McCoy
(RealMac@aol.com)

Date Posted: 14:30:20 11/27/02 Wed
Author: 
Subject:  guerre de Villmergen
In reply to: John McCoy 's message,  on 14:24:46 11/27/02 Wed

20 novembre 2002
Most interesting your message Mister McCoy.
S./Johannesburg/Fribourg

The Bourgeois's genealogy, 1450-2000, from Grandson, Giez, Yverdon, Bonvillars, gives:
- Samuel Bourgeois, baptise a Yverdon le 20 fevrier 1680. Assista comme lieutenant a la bataille de Villmergen, en 1712, et y fut blesse. Devint capitaine par la suite. Il a possede la moitie des censes du focage de Rances. Mort en 1758. Il a epouse Melle Thomasset, d'Orbe.
- Emmanuel Nicolas Bourgeois, Conseiller d'Yverdon. Capitaine lieutenant de M. BAUMANN, capitaine fribourgeois. Il a ete a la bataille de Villmergen, en 1712, ou il fut blesse. Il fit renover son fief de Mathod l'an 1746 et un fief riere Champvent, procede des nobles de Lutry Quernet de 1752. Il a aussi possede un fief riere Vuiteboeuf et Peney qui a ete vendu au Seigneur de Champvent. En 1740 il a ausi contribue pour L 400.- a l'etablissement de la caisse de famille et a abdique la presidence de celle-ci a cause de son grand age. Il epousa Melle Jeanne Catherine Detreytorrens, soeur de mere de M. Albert Benjamin Bourgeois.

Date Posted: 15:06:38 10/25/02 Fri

Subject:  Ashby

Ashby
Author: S.  Date: 31 Aug 2002 2:15 AM GMT
Classification: Query

ASHBY
30 august 2002
We are looking for our cousins, the Ashby family.
Indeed Charles Forget-Bourgeois's daughter is;
Blanche born 22 september 1871, Liverpool Lancashire (married 1897 Harold Jack ASHBY).
Any information is welcomed.

Date Posted: 06:00:31 10/25/02 Fri
Author: John McCoy
Subject:  Dutoit of Moudon

DUTOIT
Author: John McCoy Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:00 PM GMT
Surnames: DUTOIT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Dutoit family of Moudon Vaud by: Connie Allen

You are not alone! The question of the tangled Dutoit families of Moudon and environs is one that comes up quite often.

The surname Dutoit is found in the vicinity of Moudon in the earliest notarial records. It is unlikely that we will every be able to connect all of them. Nothing has come to my attention to suggest that they might have originated in France.

It would be very helpful if you could provide information on your connection, including the names and places that you have been able to document. Am I right in assuming this has to do with a Dutoit who came to the US in colonial times?

I have extensive notes on the Dutoit families from about 1550 to 1750, gathered in the course of my research on a still mysterious Jaquemaz Dutoit who married Isaac Margueron about 1640, the marriage apparently not recorded.

Please let us hear back from you soon

Date Posted: 06:08:11 10/25/02 Fri

Subject: Dutoit of Moudon
In reply to: John McCoy 's message, on 06:00:31 10/25/02 Fri

Dutoit family of Moudon Vaud
Author: John McCoy Date: 25 Nov 2001 1:31 AM GMT
Surnames: Dutoit, Frossard
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Dutoit family of Moudon Vaud by: Connie Allen

Before everyone gets too far into the connection with the settler of Manakintown, PLEASE take time cite your sources carefully!

The same Pierre Dutoit son of Pierre Dutoit and Marie Frossard listed in the Recueil des Généalogies Vaudoises is now claimed as the parent of two different families:

1. In the Recueil, he is claimed in an almost invisible footnote NOT to be the Pierre baptised 09 (or 07?) may 1671, but an older one who married _____ Rosat and whose first child Isaac Philippe was baptised in 1686. The Pierre baptised in 1671 would be too young to have the children required for the descendancy of Pierre Dutoit and Marie Frossard, according to this account.

2. On the other side of the Atlantic, he is claimed to be the one baptised in 1671, who died in Manakintown, and his parents are claimed to be the same Pierre Dutoit and Marie Frossard.

One or both of the accounts must be incorrect!

It is of course well understood that Dutoit is a name that originates in the area around Moudon, and that most people of this name in Vaud be traced to this family. The more important question is exactly how to make that connection.

The first thing we would like to establish is who is named in the settler's will. Is there any mention of Frossard anywhere in the documents of that colony? What sources indicate the age of Pierre in that colony? What is known about the migrations of the settlers?

Back in Moudon, we need to analyze the church records and the notarial records more carefully. As early as 1560, there are already many Dutoit families. The vast majority are not included in the published account! By the 17th Century, there are hundreds of them, and we have many, many Pierre's to choose from!

There are many people who are interested in this problem. Let's try to assemble the information from the PRIMARY SOURCES.

John McCoy (Vaud Coordinator)

Date Posted: 05:21:15 10/25/02 Fri
object:  Dutoit

Dutoit Family of Moudon Vaud
Author: S.  Date: 12 Jan 2002 12:56 AM GMT
In Reply to: Re: Dutoit Family of Moudon Vaud, vaud forum rootsweb.com, by: John McCoy

hello everybody great grandsons from the Dutoit family and to John McCoy.

I was pleased to see that the Dutoit family is well alive.
Indeed on my mother's genealogy, 1450-2000, Bourgeois from Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, we have a Bourgeois-Dutoit marriage, she was from Moudon.
According to yours severals reply on Rootsweb it seem that there are many Dutoit families from Moudon, but there could not have many well-to-do, I mean from the upper class, Dutoit families in Moudon.
Jeanne Dutoit who married Jean Bourgeois in the 16th century could only come from the upper class, as the Bourgeois family were already from the high level, this means they were already recording a genealogy, having his uncle interred in the temple of Grandson which was very expensive and reserved to a very few ones (the grave is still to be seen to-day, the Guillaume Bourgeois grave, prieur du prieure de Grandson, dans la chapelle privee de la famille Bourgeois, temple de Grandson), having a "vitrail armorie" in french, for their marriage.
The Bourgeois family was a noble one, this was confirmed by LL.EE. of Berne, which ruled the country of Vaud.
I would be glad to know Jeanne Bourgeois-Dutoit parents, grand-parents and siblings, burt well I should not ask too much, just a piece of information is O.K.

Genealogie Bourgeois, de Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, 1450-2000-

3: Jean Bourgeois, donna et legua le 17 juillet 1516, pour la fondation d'une messe aux religieux du prieure de Grandson L 100.- de capital, qui furent pretes a interets a Pierre ROSSIER de Giez, par obligation de cette date. Le capital fut rendu par les deputes des deux etats de Berne et Fribourg le 12 mai 1556, a cause de la Reformation, a Claude (no 16) feu Mermet ffeu Jean Bourgeois (no 3) pour une moitie, et aux trois freres Sebastien (no 15), Bernard (no 14) et Philibert (no 12) ffeu Francois fils de Jean (no 3) pour l'autre moitie. Les dits petits fils de Jean voulant suivre l'intention de leur grand-pere, qui avait consacre cette somme a des ouvres pieuses, en firent don a la confrerie du St-Esprit de Grandson (aujourd'hui reunie a l'hopital) et appliquerent en meme temps les retenues des censes, des la remise des deputes, a l'achat de six annes de drap annuellement pour babiller, a chaque St-Martin d'hiver, trois pauvres qui seraient nommes. ------ Genealogie Bourgeois 16me siecle, page 7. -2- nommes par la Justice de Grandson. L'acte en parchemin, etait en francais et signe: Francois BIOLLEY, notaire, le 26 novembre 1562. Il est depose dans les archives de la ville de Grandson. Jean Bourgeois epousa Jeanne DAU THEY ou DUTOIT, de Moudon. Leurs armoiries sont peintes sur les vitraux existant encore aujourd'hui et propriete de la famille Bourgeois de Corcelettes.

Date Posted: 05:26:38 10/25/02 Fri
Subject:  Dutoit
In reply to: S.  's message,  on 05:21:15 10/25/02 Fri

Dutoit Family of Moudon Vaud
Author: John McCoy Date: 13 Jan 2002 8:18 PM GMT

In Reply to: Dutoit Family of Moudon Vaud by: S.

My research on the Dutoit families goes back to about 1560. I think the marriage you are looking for must be much earlier, probably about 1500. I expect to continue my research into the oldest notarial records, so it is possible that something will turn up. Even by 1560, there were so many Dutoits around Moudon that is is not possible in most documents to be sure which one is intended.

John McCoy

Date Posted: 05:29:59 10/25/02 Fri

Subject: Dutoit
In reply to: John McCoy 's message, on 05:26:38 10/25/02 Fri

Dutoit Moudon coat of arms
Author: S. Date: 13 Jan 2002 2:51 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Dutoit Family of Moudon Vaud by: John McCoy

interesting your work McCoy.
There were many Dutoit families from Moudon, I understand this, but how many Dutoit with coat of arms or in french "armoiries" ?
By the 16th century few families had coat of arms so far I know, and the Dutoit from Moudon I am looking for had a coat of arm, according to the Bourgeois genealogy 1450-2000, family from Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, Bonvillars.
They mention that theirs coat of arm is, this means was, in the private church of the Bourgeois family in Grandson.
I do not have all my files with me in Argentina to check this, I mean that I do not know if the stained glass "vitrail" mentionned in the Bourgeois genealogy is still in the church but I do not think so, as many were removed. I have a photograph of the stained glass coat of arms, Bourgeois-Chevallier, Bourgeois-Gaudard, Bourgeois-de Fer, but the Bourgeois-Dutoit should be in the Galbreath book, Armorial Vaudois, see Bourgeois family, they mention a stained glass, so far I can remenber it is this one.

Date Posted: 05:38:40 10/25/02 Fri

Subject:  Dutoit
on 05:29:59 10/25/02 Fri

Dutoit Moudon coat of arms
Author: John McCoy Date: 16 Jan 2002 2:53 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Dutoit Moudon coat of arms by: S.

I have found no mention of any nobles among the Dutoit in any part of French-speaking Switzerland. However, there is a single coat of arms described:

D'azur à un toit de gueules sommé de deux poinçons d'argent accompagné, en chef, de deux étoiles et en pointe d'une coupe du même. There is also a "devise", Dominus providebit.

I have seen no reference to the antiquity of these arms.

Vuilliemier's published account in the Recueil des Généalogies Vaudoises indicates multiple families in the area of Moudon already in the 15th Century.

John McCoy

Date Posted: 05:43:33 10/25/02 Fri
Subject:  Dutoit
In reply to: John McCoy 's message,  on 05:38:40 10/25/02 Fri

Dutoit Moudon coat of arms
Author: Raoul Dutoit Date: 17 Jan 2002 5:48 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Dutoit Moudon coat of arms by: John McCoy
Hi John and S.

i have the following description with my "armoiries" :

"d'azur au toit de gueules muni de deux girouettes d'argent et accompagné en pointe d'un monde d'argent cerclé et croisetté d'or"
NB D'après le cachet de J. Dutoit ministre à Berne, du 2 décembre 1774 et le cachet de J.-L. Dutoit Châtelain en 1795.

apparently there is some variable :
avec 1 calice, un oiseau, un coeur.

sources : armoirires Roland Jayet, Geneva, Switzerland
i have also the following information from R. Jayet about the Dutoit Family:
"L'existence de cette famille est attestée à Chavannes sur Moudon depuis le courant du XIV siècle déjà.
Elle a formé de nombresues branches qui ont été reçues aux Bourgeoisies de Moudon au XV siècle, à Chesalles sur Moudon en 1574, à Bercher en 1656, à Vevey en 1605, 1619 et à nouveau en 1763, à Lausanne en 1751 et à Berne en 1865. Il esxiste une famille Dutoit de Neyruz (district de Moudon) probablement apparentée aux précédentes; on ignore par contre l'origine d'une famille homonyme de Villars le Terroir (district d'Echallens) citée dès le Xiv siècle également.
Les Dutoit de la région de Moudon ont encore formé des rameaux qui ont été admis à Genève en 1907, en 1919 et en 1960, à Vernier en 1907 et à Versoix en 1908; une famille a été reçue à Bâle en 1928.
Par contre une famille Dutoit de Nidau, bourgeoise depuis le XVIII siècle, est venue de Lyss où elle s'appelait et s'appelle encore Von Dach, frome allemande de Du Toit.

Date Posted: 05:47:41 10/25/02 Fri
Subject:  Dutoit
In reply to: Raoul Dutoit 's  on 05:43:33 10/25/02 Fri

Dutoit Moudon coat of arms
Author: S.  Date: 9 Mar 2002 7:43 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Dutoit Moudon coat of arms by: Raoul Dutoit

J'ai verifie dans l'armorial Vaudois de Galbreath, pour le vitrail Bourgeois reproduit, il donne Bourgeois et Authey ou d'Authey ou Dauthey, famille inconnue selon l'auteur avec mention d'un rapprochement sur les Dutoit.
L'armoirie de porte pas de toit comme les nombreuses variantes Du Toit ce qui me donne des doutes sur une eventuelle alliance Bourgeois Dutoit.

Dutoit Moudon coat of arms
Author: S.  Date: 17 Jan 2002 11:16 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Dutoit Moudon coat of arms by: John McCoy

Interesting your message John,

Yes of course there is no mention of the antiquity of a coat of arm, nowhere.
About the Nobility this is not so obvious, there were many kind of nobilities, the only evidence is that Jeanne Dutoit married Jean Bourgeois. This genealgoy mentions; La famille Bourgeois de Grandson et d'Yverdon en tant qu'elle descend de Francois Bourgeois (no 8), Lieutenant ballival de Grandson, dont le petit fils Francois (no 23) a acquit le Vidomat de Bonvillars l'an 1595 apres l'exhibition des titres authentiques au nombre de 88 dont elle est pourvue, a ete reconnue par Leurs Excellendes de Berne et Fribourg l'an 1782, comme faisant partie de l'ancienne Noblesse du pays et comme devant continuer a rester, elle et sa descendance legitime, en possesion de cette qualite de Noble dans tous les pays immediats et baillages mediats de Leurs dites Excellences.
So Jeanne Dutoit from Moudon should and must come from a family with already a good standing.
See what Edgar H. Brunner says about "les quartiers de dames Bourgeois" under; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fribourg/Bourgeois/courrier%201980/Edgar.h.Brunner.lettre.Berne.9.janvier.1993.page.1-archives.S. and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fribourg/Bourgeois/courrier%201980/Edgar.h.Brunner.lettre.Berne.9.janvier.1993.page.2-archives.S./Fribourg
By the way I am looking for Edgar H. Brunner, I have not see him for 10 years, maybe he has an e-mail ?
I try to check the Vuilliemier, Recueil des Généalogies Vaudoises, when I am in Switzerland, by march.
See my reply to Raoul Dutoit.

Subject:  Victor H. Bourgeois 1864-1935 archeologue

Victor H. Bourgeois 1864-1935 archeologue
Author: S.  Date: 12 Feb 2002 10:59 PM GMT

Je prepare la biographie de mon grand oncle Victor H. Bourgeois, 1864-1935, archeologue, famille de Giez, Grandson,Yverdon.
Je cherche tous temoignages sur sa vie, archives, documents, tableaux, courriers, qui me permetteraient de complementer sa biographie.
La liste de ses ecrits repertories a ce jour, dont 5 editions originales ne sont pas localisees a ce jour, sont;

I) Les Etrusques au Musee archeologique de Florence, 1903. II) La chapelle particuliere de la famille Bourgeois, dans le Temple de Grandson, 1903. III) La peinture religieuse a Rome du IIIme au XIIIme siecle, 1904. IV) La peinture decorative dans la Suisse romande et specialement le Canton de Vaud, des les temps prehistoriques jusqu'a la fin du XVIIIme siecle, 1904. V) La peinture decorative dans le canton de Vaud des l'epoque romaine jusqu'au XVIIIme siecle. VI) Les cloches de l'eglise de Giez, 1905. VII) Lettres de voyages "Au Japon et en Mer", 1906. VIII) Au Pied du Jura, 1906,1922 et 1982 edite par Pro Grandson. XIX) Impressions artistiques et archeologiques a Florence, 1907. X) La carriere romaine de La Lance, 1909. XI) L'Ara Pacis Augustae a Rome. XII) Le Mausolee de l'Empereur Auguste. edition non trouve. XIII) Une Maison Romaine a Rome. edition non trouve. XIV) L'eglise de Giez. XV) Les Vitraux de l'Eglise de Giez. XVI) Giez. Apercu archeologique et historique. XVII) L'ancienne chappelle de la Tour de Gourze. XVIII) L'ancien chateau de la Mothe, pres Vuiteboeuf. XIX) Torcello deux eglises dans la lagune de Venise. XX) Impressions artistiques et archeologiques a Florence, 1907. XXI) Le cimetiere gaulois de St-Sulpice, 1915. XXII) Fribourg et ses Monuments, 1921. XXIII) La route romaine des Gorges de Covatannaz. XXIV) Le Castrum romain d'Yverdon. XXV) Apercu acheologique de la contree de Concise. XXVI) Le Chateau de Champvent. XXVII) L'Eglise de Grandson. XXVIII) La Collegiale de St-Nicolas de Fribourg. XXIX) L'ancienne carriere de tuf des Gorges de Covatannaz. XXX) Le Chateau de Montagny. edition non trouve. XXXI) La station lacustre de Corcelettes. edition non trouve. XXXII) Les châteaux historiques du Canton de Vaud, XIme au XVIme siecle 1929. XXXIII) Les monuments mégalithiques le long du Jura Suisse, 1926. XXXIV) Le Chasseron des l'antiquite a nos jours, 1932.

Merci de votre cooperation.

Subject:  Gaudard

Gaudard
Author: S.  Date: 13 Feb 2002 11:07 PM GMT
Existe-t-il une généalogie des familles Gaudard, d'Echallens, de Lausanne et de Bioley-Orjulaz ?
Question de Jean Claude Romanens.
la famille Gaudard est bien connue de la famille Bourgeois de Giez, Grandson, Yverdon. Dans la genealogie de celle-ci, 1450-2000, on peut lire plusieurs references Gaudard, dont une qui repond a votre question;

Genealogie Bourgeois 15me a 20me siecle page 1. Famille Bourgeois de Grandson & Yverdon, dresses par Zabulon Bourgeois, secretaire du Conseil d'Yverdon, continue par Marc-Elie Bourgeois, par Henri Francois Bourgeois, secretaire du Conseil de Grandson et par Charles Samuel Bourgeois, commissaire. Le 20me siecle fut complete par Pierre Bourgeois. Le 21eme siecle est mis a jour par S.  (fils de Genevieve Bourgeois).Archives de la famille Bourgeois, copie deposee a la bibliotheque nationale suisse, Berne.
Genealogie Bourgeois, Avant-Propos, page 2. La famille BOURGEOIS a ete etablie, des les temps les plus recules, dans divers lieux dependants de l'ancienne Baronnie de Grandson. M. GAUDARD, Commissaire general de Berne, dans ses Observations genealogiques du Pays de Vaud, rapporte qu'Egrege Jean Bourgeois a ete elu chatelain de Montagny l'an 1299 (1), et que Pierre Bourgeois, bourgeois de Grandson, avait vendu une maison dans la ville d'Yverdon le sezieme mars 1322 (2).

Interessant serait de trouver ces observations genealogiques.
Merci de me communiquer vos recherches, je pourrais eventuellement mettre a jour la genealogie Bourgeois.
S./Fribourg

Je vous remercie pour ces renseignements.
Ce "M. GAUDARD, Commissaire general de Berne" doit être Samuel Gaudard (1627-1693), commissaire général et fils de Philippe Gaudard, bourgeois de Berne dont les travaux généalogiques ont été repris successivement par M. Jules Gaudard, professeur honoraire de l'Université de Lausanne puis par Berchtold Van Muyden, syndic de Lausanne.

Merci Jean-Claude pour ces interessants eclairsissements qui m'ont permis de completer la genealogie Bourgeois.
Puisque Gaudard vous semble connu j'essaie de vous demander des complements sur l'alliance Bourgeois-Gaudard;
26: Claude Bourgeois, ne en 1542. Notaire et Commissaire. Gouverneur a Grandson en 1601. Receveur de LL.EE. qui lui firent donation, en reconnaissance de ses bon offices, de deux seyt de pre riere Montagny le Corboz. Son testament est du 9 novembre 1608. Il epousa: 1, Anne GAUDARD, d'Echallens; 2, Anne HUBER, de Berne; 3, Judith, fille de Francois Nicolas d'HENNEZEL., Seigneur d'Essert; 4,. (11: Enfants de Sebastien, no 15, ffeu Francois, no 8. Enfants de Bernard, no 14,)
Genealogie Bourgeois 16me, 17me siecle, page 17. 4.Esther, ffeu noble Adam d'Hennezel de Lorraine. Accolade 18.

Subject:  Doxat

Je cherche la genealogie Doxat, famille noble vaudoise, et a entrer en e-mail avec la famille, principalement avec la branche existante anglaise.

Subject:  Banquet des Jordils, 14 juillet 1791

Banquet des Jordils, 14 juillet 1791
Author: John McCoy (Vaud Co-ordinator) Date: 22 Oct 2002 4:07 PM GMT
Surnames: MARCEL

If anyone has the list of the persons who participated in the famous celebration at Les Jordils on Bastille Day, 1791, please contact me. I understand there was at least one member of the MARCEL family of Lausanne who was present. It would be of great interest to post the entire list (about 150 people?) here!

The importance of the event was that prominent citizens of Lausanne used the occasion to advocate liberty, equality, and fraternity, concepts not supported by the government at Bern. The government, predictably, responded by prosecuting those who participated. A great number left in voluntary exile, which might explain some otherwise puzzling genealogical data! But the revolution came nonetheless, in 1798, and the Pays de Vaud became at last master of its own destiny.

John McCoy

Banquet des Jordils, 14 juillet 1791
Author: S.  Date: 22 Oct 2002 8:33 PM GMT
In Reply to: Banquet des Jordils, 14 juillet 1791 by: John McCoy (Vaud Co-ordinator)

Hello Mister McCoy,
Again we meet, as always you are most interesting.
With Best Regards,
S./Fribourg
Brigue/

Le banquet des Jordils
Ce banquet est précédé du souper de la Razude du 15 juin 1790 au cours duquel Amédée de la Harpe, seigneur de Yens, cousin de Frédéric-César, jette les bases d'une sorte de société secrète en présence d'une petite dizaine d'invités, dont Jaques Antoine Lardy, l'époux de Louise782 Marie Secretan. Il est suivi, le 25 juin 1791, d'un repas chez Jean807-Gabriel Secretan (1738-1808), châtelain d’Ecublens, auquel prennent part Jaques-Antoine Lardy, l'avocat J.J. Cart ainsi que plusieurs membres de la loge maçonnique des Amis Unis de Morges, dont Benjamin Régis, gendre de Jean807 Gabriel Secretan. Lors de ce repas on parle beaucoup de politique et en particulier de l'urgence de redemander au Gouvernement bernois la convocation des Etats de Vaud. Le dimanche 10 juillet, nouveau souper à Ouchy, chez Lardy, avec une quinzaine de participants, dont Régis. Et le 14 juillet 1791, environ cent cinquante patriotes, qui désirent l’émancipation du Pays de Vaud, dont Louis157 (1758-1839), le futur landamman, et Daniel805 Anthoine Secretan, châtelain du chapitre, Benjamin Régis et Jaques Antoine Lardy, se retrouvent, aux Jordils près d’Ouchy, pour fêter le deuxième anniversaire de la Révolution française. lors d’un banquet payant (9 L 4 1/2 d), en plein air, dans la propriété du banquier Dapples. Ils boivent à la santé de la Liberté, à l’Egalité et à la Fraternité. Plusieurs discours véhéments sont prononcés, des acclamations et des cris de joie célèbrent le triomphe de la liberté en France. Plusieurs convives portent à leur chapeau des emblèmes français avec la devise vivre libre ou mourir. On danse la farandole, puis une partie des invités descend à Ouchy, musique en tête, en chantant le fameux ça ira, ça ira, et assiste à un feu d’artifice au milieu de près de 3’000 personnes. Le 15 juillet, la fête continue à Rolle sous le prétexte d'une fête de tir avec, entre autres, le discours du libraire Durand de Lausanne qui harangue les enfants en leur disant qu'un jour viendra où ils seront des hommes libres et des soldats de la liberté. Il provoque ainsi le retrait indigné du bailli et des partisans de Berne. Berne réagit brutalement à cette manifestation et met en place à Lausanne une armée forte de 6’000 hommes. Une haute cour procède à une enquête et mande à la barre les principaux personnages ayant part pris au banquet des Jordils. Amédée de la Harpe, cousin de Frédéric César, qui en est le principal organisateur est en fuite. Il est condamné à mort par contumace, et ses biens sont confisqués. D’autres sont condamnés à plusieurs années de prison. Les députés des villes (27) sont convoqués le 30 septembre 1791 au Champ de l’Air (la Blécherette) et priés de se rendre au Château, têtes nues, comme des pénitents, entre une double rangée de soldats bernois. Et la Haute Commission leur adresse une réprimande sévère, remplie d’invectives et de menaces. Berne s’aliène ainsi, par des condamnations disproportionnées et une reprise en mains humiliante, une bonne partie de la population vaudoise. Il ne semble pas que Louis157 et Daniel805 Anthoine Secretan aient fait partie des personnalités humiliées. Louis Junod, La loge des Amis Unis de Morges et les événements révolutionnaires de 1791 au Pays de Vaud, Lausanne1949, pp.169-176
NB: • Bourgeois I (selon Galbreath): en 1802, Jean807 Gabriel Secretan (1738-1808), notaire, fils de Jean411-Abram et de Gabrielle Lemaire, épouse, en troisième noce, Sophie Elisabeth Bourgeois, fille d'Henri François, Président du tribunal de Grandson et ancien gouverneur de la ville (1763 et 1768), et de Sophie Mathey. Jacob Bourgeois (1694-1759), grand-père de Sophie, qui est ministre à Fiez, acquiert la bourgeoisie de Neuchâtel en 1759. Jean Bourgeois (Johannes Borgeys), l'ancêtre connu le plus lointain de la famille sans filiation prouvee avant 1450, est châtelain de Montagny en 1299. Les armes de l'un de ses descendants, Guillaume Bourgeois (Borges), sacristain et prieur élu du prieuré de Grandson, décédé en 1508, se trouvent à trois reprises dans l'église de Grandson. La famille Bourgeois, qui est propriétaire du château de Giez depuis 1613 est une famille de militaires, de commercants, de juristes et d'artistes.

20 octoduvoisin/bourgeois

Date :
Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:41:45 +0200 (MET DST)

Bonjour
dans mes ancetres suisse j'ai francoise duvoisin fille de abrhame duvoisin et
bourgeois julie nee en 1715 a bonvillars
le pere est justicier de bonvillars
avez vous des renseignements sur la famille de julie bourgeois
en vous remerciant
bre 2002
Monsieur,

Voici les alliances Bourgeois-Duvoisin, tire de la genealogie Bourgeois, de Grandson, Yverdon, Giez, Bonvillars, 1450-2000.
Je serais enchante d'en apprendre plus sur les Duvoisins et leur filiation a ce jour.

- Barbelle Bourgeois, baptisee a Grandson le 23 octobre 1618. Elle epousa a Grandson, le 28 janvier 1640, Etienne DUVOISIN, Ministre a Grandson.
- Marguerite Elisabeth Bourgeois. Baptisee a Yverdon le 29 septembre 1670. Elle a epouse en 1693 M. Salomon Duvoisin, de Bonvillars, Ministre au Paquier.
- Marc Elie Bourgeois. Capitaine. Il a possede le fief de la Foret riere Giez. Il a contribue par L 200.- a l'etablissement de la caisse de famille en 1740. Mort a Giez le 15 mars 1763. Il a epouse Anne Francoise Duvoisin, morte a Giez le 22 janvier 1755. Accolade 61.

A bientot

Subject: de Saussure

Name: de Saussure
Country: France Date: Fri Aug 9 04:57:27 2002
Comment: bravo pour ce site!
JBS

von Seebach and Moltke-Huitfeld families

Date :
Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:08:36 +0200

I read your request for information about the von Seebach and von Moltke-Huitfeldt families. For your information, I happend to buy a large part of the family archive (private correspondence and some photograps) from the Moltke-Huitfeld family. It has lots of info. on these families.
Best regards,

Gustav Gaudernack

Gustav Gaudernack
Section for Immunotherapy
Institute for Cancer Research
The Norwegian Radium Hospital
N-0310 Oslo
NORWAY
phone:(47)22934572/5768 fax:(47)22934630

Moltke-Huitfeldt

Date :
Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:33:55 +0200

Hi,

I enclose some pages that will clarify some of the family relations. Had trouble with the windows going back and forth from the search page and your site. As you can see the spelling is not entirely consistent.
Glorup castle is presently inhabited by the decendants of Adam M-H (Alice and her family* Alice de Moltke-Huitfeldt (° 1930), and Adam M-H (* Adam de Moltke-Huitfeldt (° 1954), comte A. de Moltke-Huitfeldt). I send you the info acailable on internet first and will follow the family by what I have in the archive on a later occation.


Adam who married Luise Eugenie Bonaparte was the elder brother of the Leon who married your relative (I have a newspaper clipping describing the marriage much like the one you have and will make a photo of it for electronic distribution). I find it strange that there are two Marcellitas in the family, since this is a very unusual name in northern Europe.


Best regards,

Gustav

http://www.adelsvapen.com/Tersmeden/pages/Moltke-Hvitfeldt.htm

http://www.svindinge.dk/UK/Glorup_Castel.htm

http://www.napoleonseries.org/genealogy/14928.htm

http://www.napoleonseries.org/genealogy/14927.htm

http://mapage.noos.fr/anosteo/Bonaparte05.html

Gustav Gaudernackarch
Section for Immunotherapy
Institute for Cancer Research
The Norwegian Radium Hospital
N-0310 Oslo
NORWAY
phone:(47)22934572/5768 fax:(47)22934630

Moltke-Huitfeldt

Date :
Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:14:54 +0000


Hi Gustav,

Thanks a lot.
Here below my reply, I reordered all the Moltke-Huitfeldt messages in a single topic, your letter here or the the Message Board is the same, I duplicate them.
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bourgeois/

To Gustav Gaudernack:
Hi Gustav,
This is great, thanks a lot.
Your files are so interesting, we can see the castle and the Bonaparte connection, again we find the Napoleon...
And the coat of arm, perfect.
The site Napoleonseries.org is for the moment out of use, I try another day.
It is good that you mentionned about the present day of this family, this means we are talking about a living family.
Please click on the Moltke-Huitfeldt surname of the Bourgeois page.
In the name of many hundreds Bourgeois's family members, I presume I am the only one to reply, I send you the best Regards.
Concerning Marcellita, there was
1) Mary Marcellite Thorn born on 29 Jan 1842 in Nacadoches, TX. She died on 20 Jul 1876 in New York, NY. She was married to William Thorn Garner (son of Thomas Garner and Frances Mathilda Thorne) on 27 Apr 1865, one of his 3 dauhghter was Edith Marion Garner born on 30 Jan 1874. She was married to Count Leon de Moltke Huifeldt on 8 Mar 1898 in Paris, France.

2) Her daughter, or Count Leon de Moltke Huifeldt's daughter is also Marcellite.
Yes it is the first time I hear about this name but one still learns. Grand-mother and grand-daughter have the same name, quite usual. Anyway you can ask her personnally, she lives in France, according to the Marquise de Breteuil e-mail she is very much alive, this means for 101 year old. I quote her: Une fille d'Edith de Molkte, Macellita, dite Lita vit toujours en France, a Bormes les Mimosas, elle a 101 ans; son unique frere Leon est mort il y a longtemps deja, ni l'un ni l'autre n'ont eu de descendance.
You are welcomed (we have more room for more files should you have too much...)
S./Fribourg

Moltke-Huitfeld

Date :
Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:33:24 +0200

Attachment : LeonM-Hbirth.jpg (250k), M-HSeebachwedding2.jpg (122k), M-HSeebachwedding1.jpg (170k)

Hi S,

I attach some pdf files of relevant documents. Unfortunately they are quite big, comming from my electronic camera. Do you have other solutions? Scanning maybe, but in good quality scans also tend to be big.

Best regards,

Gustav

Gustav Gaudernack
Section for Immunotherapy
Institute for Cancer Research
The Norwegian Radium Hospital
N-0310 Oslo
NORWAY
phone:(47)22934572/5768 fax:(47)22934630

Moltke-Huitfeld

Date :
Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:28:18 +0000



Hi again Gustav,

Yes, I am very impressed by those births duplications of Leon, thanks again.
I am having now with the help of family tree 9 the biggest family tree available, which includes portraits and importants facts.
Up to to-day I have recorded 1000 family members, going back to Charlemagne, 650 after Christ and landing up in my times.
This is easier with my father's family for many reasons, with my mother's family, Bourgeois, it is more difficult, but I have a good work to to with the Thorne of New York which includes the Moltke-Huitfeldt.
When I am so far I send you part of the tree, which I can do with the Corel programm, the Bonaparte filiation will do great...
This means too that I am looking for portraits to put in the family tree box, each member has a box which includes a photo and importants facts.
You will see in time.
See you around.
S.
Peninsula Valez/Fribourg

I.B. Date: 2003-09-30 Comments: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 Amis du coeur, à la bonne heure! Cette fois, c'est pour de bon! Je suis heureuse de vous annoncer la naissance de www.planetpositive.info, une rêve qui devient réalité, un bébé que j'ai mis 4 ans à pondre... Je vous dédie ce site, à vous mes amis, vous qui m'en avez si bien inspiré l'esprit par toutes vos qualités auxquelles je rends hommage dans l'intro; intro que je vous encourage sincèrement à prendre le temps de télécharger la première fois seulement. Sans votre amitié, ce site n'existerait pas. Il est le fruit de tout le bien que vous m'avez fait et que vous me faites encore. Pour tout cela, merci.

 I.B.Moltke-Huitfeld

Date :
Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:49:58 +0000


Moltke-Huifeldt
16 september 2002
Hi Gustav,
Nice to read you. Thanks you so much, those are great duplications, it is perfect, maybe I cut them a bit with the Corel programm, which is available to me next week.
You are better than me, I use my normal photographic camera when I must lend some births or obituary files and no photocopy is available, the results are difficult, look under the Forget family.
Anyway I had them recorded, I mean Leon, under Molkte-Huitfeldt, as a link.
You are welcomed
Serge
Peninsula Valdez/Fribourg
NB: So far I understand you sended those files twice, under jpg enclosed and under attachments which I could not open. Well jpg is OK, I can take them and work with them.

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Count Leon Moltke-Hvitfeldt
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:12:15 +0100

j.nr. 1997-0730-553 11.1. 2002

Dear mr. S.

The Danish National Archives has received your inquiry concerning a research on the descendants for Count Leon Moltke-Hvitfeldt. We regret to inform you
that we cannot take on tasks of the kind involved.
When you are not in a position to visit the reading room, we can undertake your research for payment, at present DKr. 397,50 an hour. If you are interested in such an arrangement, please let us know. You are welcome to state a maximum amount.

Yours sincerely
Henrik Stissing Jensen
assistant archivist

29. december 2001 21:19
Count Leon Moltke-Hvitfeldt

hello,


I am looking for genealogical informations or the
descendants for Count Leon Moltke-Hvitfeldt according
to this press article. The point is that I presume
those persons to be my parents but I do not see the
connection. With more data I could link them to me.
Thank you for your lecture.
S./Fribourg

Count Leon Moltke-Hvitfeldt, Edith Garner
Danish

MOLTKE-HVITFELDT--GARNER. The marriage of Count Leon
Moltke-Hvitfeldt, son of the former Danish Minister to
France, with Miss Edith Garner, daughter of the late
William Garner, of New-York, and younger sister of the
Marquise de Breteuil, and of Lady Gordon Cumming, was
solemnised at Christ Church, Pau, on the 8th inst. The
civil ceremony took place the day before at the
Mairie, Mr Frank Lawrance and the Marquis de Breteuil
being the witnesses for the bride, and Count Seebach
and Count Moltke, uncle and brother of the bridegroom,
acting for him. The bride was given away by her uncle,
Mr F.C. Lawrance. The Protestant church was hansomely
decorated with flowers and foliage, and was filled
with guests. The bride wore a gown of white satin,
embroidered and trimmed with point lace, her veil, of
exquisite point d'Alençon, reaching to the hem of her
train. A wreath of orange blossoms was worn, but no
jewel. The bridegroom was in his uniform as an officer
of the Danish Navy. After the ceremony, Mr and Mrs
Lawrance gave a breakafast at their residence in the
Rue du Lycee, to about 200 friends. Mrs Lawrance was
attired in black velvet; Countess de Moltke, mother of
the bridegroom, in silver-grey broche satin; Lady
Gordon Cumming, bright heliotrope; Lady Kilmaine,
biscuit-coloured costume, with toque to match; Lady
Herschell, beige coloured-broche; and Countess de
Ganay was un grey. In the evening Count and Countess
Leon-Moltke-Hvitfeldt proceeded to Paris, where, on
the following Friday, they were married according to
the rites of the Roman Catholic Church, of which the
bridegroom is a member, at the Madeleine.

(photograph of Miss Dorothy Warner (Mrs Thynne)

The date and newspaper of this article is unknown, it
is presumed to come from the Victorine
Bourgeois-Lachaise, from New-York and Giez, canton of
Vaud, Switzerland, personnal archives. I am looking
for any additional information on those persons, as
they may be related to Victorine Lachaise from
New-York, who married. 1855, Auguste Bourgeois,
1832-1894, from Giez, Grandson, Yverdon, Switzerland.

Archives Bourgeois, Giez.
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Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:38:38 +0200


Cher S.,

J'ai été choqué d'apprendre de la liberté que vous avez prie sans le
consentement de notre
famille et je désapprouve complètement votre conduite vis-à-vis des notres.

Par conséquence, j'exige que cette "web page" soit supprimée le plus tôt
possible.
Mon Père, ma tante Constance et moi même désaprouvons ce site et donc au nom
de tous je vous demande d'agir en notre faveur. Notre Histoire ne regarde
que nous et en aucun cas le grand public. Sans vouloir vous offensez, je
vous prie d'executer notre requête.


Merci de votre compréhension et mes sincères amitiés à votre famille.

Meilleurs salutations.


Philip de Hesselle

18 avril 2002

Philipp,

J'au recu votre courrier.
Les de Hesselle ne regardent que vous ?
Vous croyez etre un club prive ?
Si je m'y interesse, j'ai aussi une famille de Hesselle dont Jeanne avait garde des archives, patiamment avec precision pour que ce nous soit transmis et que je transmets aux prochaines generations selon de desir de Jeanne. C'etait la seule d'ailleurs, les autres s'en foutaient, je m'etonne ainsi que votre pere aie appelle ma mere a Zumikon il y a quelques annees pour avoir des archives, ce dont ma mere qui connaissant mieux votre branche que moi lui avait dit qu'il derangeait.
J'avais envoye un paquet d'archives gratuitement a votre pere, sur le courrier de Chine, des actes de naissances de Stolberg avec le sceau Nazi, et ainsi de suite.
Je lui avais vendu de l'argenterie de Hesselle et donne un portrait de Jeanne.
J'ai aussi fait ma part gratuitement pour vous.

Vous parlez d'une page web il faudrait savoir laquelle.

Je crois avoir ecrit en termes positif et ne me rappelle pas d'avoir endommage quelqu'un.
Il serait aussi possible de fouiller un peu plus cette histoire et de reecrire avec plus de faits, je n'ai pas l'impression que la faillitte de la Chung King soit d'un grand merite pour Lothar de Hesselle, les journaux doivent avoir pas mal d'informations la dessus, ce qui est public l'est pour tous.
De toute maniere le Net est deroutant, j'avais ecrit un projet de testament, sorte brouillon que j'avais efface et le Net l'a garde, impossible de l'effacer.

Vous etes jeune Philipp, vous ecrivez d'une maniere precipitee, vous ecrivez sans le consentement, j'avais tout a fait le consentement de Constance, elle me pressait meme pour savoir si c'etait enfin fait.

Quand a votre pere qui se montre choque d'apprendre le deces de Jean Bourgeois avec du retard alors que moi meme je l'ai appris avec du retard et que je n'avais aucune raison, a part d'etre bien intentionne, de lui en aviser, il se comporte curieusement.

J'espere connaitre mieux l'histoire de Hesselle, je fais des recherches et espere avoir des resultats, la derniere technologie du Net m'aide.
Nous avons des archives de Hesselle, afin de les partager il ne faut pas commencer a se disputer.

Ceci dit vous pouvez envoyer votre photo, curriculum vitae, je cherche toujours a complementer les archives de famille, nous sommes supposes vivre en l'an 2002 ?

Je vous invite en Argentine, je suis normalement base a Buenos Aires mais pour le moment je fais un tour a Ushuaia, pres du pole Sud.

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Extrait de l'article dans la Chronique de Grandson 22 mars 2001

Restauration de l'eglise de Giez par Victor. H. Bourgeois 5 aout 1904

Le chateau de Giez est habitee par 1) Mme Victorine Bourgeois, nee Lachaise, veuve d'Auguste et ses fils; Gustave Armand marie a Mlle Alexandrine Richter de Russie et ses 4 enfants; Nadia, Kyra, Serge et Pierre. 2) Victor. H. Bourgeois, archeologue, non marie. 3) Edouard-Conrad marie a Mlle Augusta Francillon de Lausanne et ses deux fils; Rene et Lucien.

Je cherche particulierment des informations actuelles sur la famille Francillon, sur laquelle je peux aussi en donner sur la base des archives d'Augusta.

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12 octobre 2002
Extrait de l'article dans la Chronique de Grandson 22 mars 2001

Restauration de l'eglise de Giez par Victor. H. Bourgeois 5 aout 1904

Les Tourelles, maison patronale a Giez sur Grandson, habitee par Mme Cecile Bourgeois de Giez, veuve de Frederic, frere d'Auguste; a) sa mere Mme Briere de Felice. b) sa fille Gabrielle marie a Charles Pilicier, avocat a Yverdon, ils ont 3 enfants, Antoinette, Madeleine et Claude
c) sa fille Mathilde non marie.

Je cherche particulierment des informations actuelles sur la famille Briere, et Pilicier, sur lesquelles je peux aussi donner des informations partielles.

12 octobre 2002
Extrait de l'article dans la Chronique de Grandson 22 mars 2001

Restauration de l'eglise de Giez par Victor. H. Bourgeois 5 aout 1904

La maison de Rham appelle de nos jours les Ramiers, saisie par le banquier d'Yverdon Charles Piguet, maison patronale a Giez sur Grandson, est habitee par 1) Mme Blanche de Rham veuve de David. 2) son fils Edouard marie a Mlle Beyer de St-Gall, ils ont deux enfants, Rene et Marcel. 3) sa fille Blanche non marie.

Des complements par rapport a la famille Bourgeois de Giez, les voisins au Chateau, sont bienvenus.12 octobre 2002
Extrait de l'article dans la Chronique de Grandson 22 mars 2001

Restauration de l'eglise de Giez par Victor. H. Bourgeois 5 aout 1904

Les Tourelles, maison patronale a Giez sur Grandson, habitee par Mme Cecile Bourgeois de Giez, veuve de Frederic, frere d'Auguste; a) sa mere Mme Briere de Felice. b) sa fille Gabrielle marie a Charles Pilicier, avocat a Yverdon, ils ont 3 enfants, Antoinette, Madeleine et Claude
c) sa fille Mathilde non marie.

Je cherche particulierment des informations actuelles sur la famille Briere, et Pilicier, sur lesquelles je peux aussi donner des informations partielles.

Je peux donner des complements d'archives sur la famille de Rham.

Name: Edouard J. Musy Date: 2003-08-24
Comments: Edouard J. Musy
Objet: Christian de Meyer
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:00 +0200
Cher S.,
Je m’empresse de répondre à votre aimable mail du 23 mai 2003. J’ai passé 2 semaines à B. A. en mai et j’ai essayé à plusieurs reprises de vous atteindre. Avec retard, je vous remercie que vous m’avez informé concernant le décès de Christian de Meyer (1930-2003), cousin de l’oncle Gonzague de Meyer. Il était le fils du colonel EMG Léo de Meyer et Madame Blanche de Meyer, née Bodevin. Vous avez peut-être connu Pierre de Meyer (1926-1997), le frère de Christian, ancien directeur et propriétaire du collège alpin “Beau Soleil" à Villars-sur-Ollon ? J’ai eu le plaisir de souper avec Christian et sa femme, Marie-Claire, en septembre de l’année dernière à Villars. Nous constatons vite avec les années la fragilité de la vie! Voici le lien généalogique de la branche Léo de Meyer:
http://www.musy.net/ORBIS_FRENCH/FMusy-Gruyere/FJean-M-1/FMeyer-1/FMeyer-2/f mey-3e.html
En ce moment, je suis chez moi à Chailly s/Montreux.
Edouard J. Musy
PS. En effet, il y avait un Musy à la fameuse bataille de Morat. Voici le lien pour les diverses branches de la famille Musy en Suisse et au Brésil:

http://www.musy.net/ORBIS_FRENCH/FMusy-Gruyere/fmusy-gruyere.html

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